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91 points_rknLA10y ago30 comments

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@freino made a web-based 3D-touch demo that prints the value in question, however the javascript DOM attribute has values between 0 and 1, not 0 and 6.666667.

Check it out with an iPhone 6s/6s+ at http://freinbichler.me/apps/3dtouch/

_rknLAOP10y ago

Yep, I'm seeing the same thing -- a DOM attribute with values between 0 and 1. Interesting.

rajadigopula10y ago

Wondering how the 3d touch changes the cross platform development!?

What happens when a developer has 2 different actions for a long press and pressured (3d touch) press!?

I have trouble understanding the usability pov for the 3d touch! Do we really need it?

eridius10y ago

Apple very strongly advises that actions available via 3D Touch must also be available via some other mechanism. 3D Touch right now is used for shortcuts (e.g. on the home screen), or previewing things (e.g. Peek) where the Commit behavior is the same as what you get when you actually tap on the item instead of 3D Touching it.

qq6610y ago

This is important because many users, especially the elderly, do not have the physical ability to press hard on the screen.

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simonh10y ago

Not much in the short to medium terms. Apple are still selling lots of iOS devices that don't have 3D touch hardware support, and will probably continue to do so for several years to come, so even iOS only apps will still need to offer alternative UI options for the lifetimes of those devices.

OrwellianChild10y ago

Liken it to a right-click on a two-button mouse interface. It just ads shortcuts (as stated below). You might cut/copy/paste with right-click in a spreadsheet, but it's also available on the File menu, keyboard shortcuts, etc. Need it? No. But I can see it being incredibly convenient and time-saving in many contexts.

LoSboccacc10y ago

and to think there was an api to derive pressure from contact size back in 2.0

https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/UIKit/...

anyone knows any app usage of this? I remember some games had pressure calculated from the accelerometer, don't know if any did use this one instead.

Synaesthesia10y ago

GarageBand also uses accelerometer data to try get the velocity of taps on drums it works reasonably well, not like 3D Touch of course.

gdubs10y ago

That was a private API -- not sure what Apple used it for, since GarageBand was using accelerometer from what I could tell.

eridius10y ago

In iOS 8 it became a public API. But the problem is that this didn't actually directly measure pressure, it just measured touch radius. Pressure affects touch radius, but so do a lot of other things (finger size, what part of the finger is used, which finger is used, etc) and so it's not particularly effective at extracting pressure.

sigmar10y ago

I would love to see how closely/consistently the output from "contact size" increases with "force"

_rknLAOP10y ago

This sort of thing really depends on the application, and the nice feature provided with the new "force" property is that you can actually distinguish between a "whole finger pad" light touch, and a "thin, firm, almost just the finger nail" hard touch, and most things in betwee.

LoSboccacc10y ago

I don't think is gonna be consistent among different fingers/people, sadly. but synaptic did pressure sensitivity on contact area long ago, wouldn't be surprised if they got some nice normalization heuristic already going.

edit this is funny coincidence: the dev guide for synaptic says 255 level but better badn in 7 levels at most

(2005) http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=352584

Edit: I know those are not really comparable teches, force touch for one is transparent

amelius10y ago

I'm wondering: can it measure force also for different presses simultaneously? And how far apart do the presses need to be?

_rknLAOP10y ago

In my experience so far, yes, it will provide unique force values per-touch, though I'm not sure if the quality deteriorates, or at what point it might deteriorate.

I don't know how far apart the presses need to be, as I haven't done a "two fingers as close as possible" test yet.

3dfan10y ago

I really would like to see google maps to make use of 3d touch to make zooming easier. Moving the finger up/down while pressing would zoom in/out. That would make one-finger usage of the maps so easy.

aidos10y ago

You may already know this but you can double-click, hold and slide up/down on google maps to zoom in and out.

I have the 3D thing on my macbook trackpad (force touch) and I have it turned off. Unfortunately the click on the trackpad is triggered by the same mechanism, which means detection of the click is effectively handled by software.

The net result is that, unless you make distinct actions when moving between a zoom and a click, the OS can't tell when the scroll ends and the click begins. I work in CAD software where it's really common to zoom out and roll straight into the click and drag (pan) but it's an absolute nightmare on this trackpad.

lewisl902910y ago

The laptop I have right now has a similar pressure sensitive Synaptics ForcePad, and I've never used a more annoying trackpad before. Just simply moving the cursor on the trackpad can be ridiculously error prone, with random clicks triggering whenever you let your guard down and push a little too hard.

The worst part is, I can't even use it as a regular trackpad with tap-to-click only, because the pressure sensitive clicks can't even be completely disabled.

davebees10y ago

On my Android phone, at least, this can already be achieved with a double-tap of sorts.

3dfan10y ago

Yes, here too. But pressing might be more intuitive then double tapping.

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jordache10y ago

google maps used to have the +/- icons in the corner of a screen.. I found this to be very useful for single hand operation of maps... double tap + sliding doesn't work too well because your slide action is constrained to the range of your finger movement, and typically results in a small amount of zoom.

pazimzadeh10y ago

I'd like to know how precisely the force sensors are calibrated during the manufacturing process, i.e. what is the variation in maximum detected pressure across iPhones?

melling10y ago

For more on 3dTouch, I've catalogued a dozen other articles here:

http://www.h4labs.com/dev/ios/swift.html?age=10000&q=3dTouch

By the way, over the weekend I added a Swift Weekly view, which should be a nice way to keep up on new Swift blogs:

http://www.h4labs.com/dev/ios/swift.html?week=0

OldSchoolJohnny10y ago

How does pressure sensitive touch essentially differ from a long touch?

chrisdroukas10y ago

A long press is a function of time: "How long has the user pressed?"

3D Touch is a function of pressure: "How hard has the user pressed?"

In practice, things that your application previously accomplished with long presses may be more suitably accomplished with 3D Touch — things like contextual menus or shortcuts come to mind. Additionally, iOS has new APIs for presenting content using 3D Touch. The article briefly references them.

simonh10y ago

Er, you press harder? A long touch is already a recognised gesture(1).

(1) https://developer.apple.com/library/prerelease/ios/documenta...

ThatOneDan10y ago

Well... there's pressure

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Tepix10y ago

@freino made a web-based 3D-touch demo that prints the value in question, however the javascript DOM attribute has values between 0 and 1, not 0 and 6.666667.

Check it out with an iPhone 6s/6s+ at http://freinbichler.me/apps/3dtouch/

_rknLAOP10y ago

Yep, I'm seeing the same thing -- a DOM attribute with values between 0 and 1. Interesting.

rajadigopula10y ago

Wondering how the 3d touch changes the cross platform development!?

What happens when a developer has 2 different actions for a long press and pressured (3d touch) press!?

I have trouble understanding the usability pov for the 3d touch! Do we really need it?

eridius10y ago

qq6610y ago

This is important because many users, especially the elderly, do not have the physical ability to press hard on the screen.

1 more reply

simonh10y ago

OrwellianChild10y ago

LoSboccacc10y ago

and to think there was an api to derive pressure from contact size back in 2.0

https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/UIKit/...

anyone knows any app usage of this? I remember some games had pressure calculated from the accelerometer, don't know if any did use this one instead.

Synaesthesia10y ago

GarageBand also uses accelerometer data to try get the velocity of taps on drums it works reasonably well, not like 3D Touch of course.

gdubs10y ago

That was a private API -- not sure what Apple used it for, since GarageBand was using accelerometer from what I could tell.

eridius10y ago

sigmar10y ago

I would love to see how closely/consistently the output from "contact size" increases with "force"

_rknLAOP10y ago

LoSboccacc10y ago

edit this is funny coincidence: the dev guide for synaptic says 255 level but better badn in 7 levels at most

(2005) http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=352584

Edit: I know those are not really comparable teches, force touch for one is transparent

amelius10y ago

I'm wondering: can it measure force also for different presses simultaneously? And how far apart do the presses need to be?

_rknLAOP10y ago

In my experience so far, yes, it will provide unique force values per-touch, though I'm not sure if the quality deteriorates, or at what point it might deteriorate.

I don't know how far apart the presses need to be, as I haven't done a "two fingers as close as possible" test yet.

3dfan10y ago

aidos10y ago

You may already know this but you can double-click, hold and slide up/down on google maps to zoom in and out.

lewisl902910y ago

The worst part is, I can't even use it as a regular trackpad with tap-to-click only, because the pressure sensitive clicks can't even be completely disabled.

davebees10y ago

On my Android phone, at least, this can already be achieved with a double-tap of sorts.

3dfan10y ago

Yes, here too. But pressing might be more intuitive then double tapping.

1 more reply

jordache10y ago

pazimzadeh10y ago

I'd like to know how precisely the force sensors are calibrated during the manufacturing process, i.e. what is the variation in maximum detected pressure across iPhones?

melling10y ago

For more on 3dTouch, I've catalogued a dozen other articles here:

http://www.h4labs.com/dev/ios/swift.html?age=10000&q=3dTouch

By the way, over the weekend I added a Swift Weekly view, which should be a nice way to keep up on new Swift blogs:

http://www.h4labs.com/dev/ios/swift.html?week=0

OldSchoolJohnny10y ago

How does pressure sensitive touch essentially differ from a long touch?

chrisdroukas10y ago

A long press is a function of time: "How long has the user pressed?"

3D Touch is a function of pressure: "How hard has the user pressed?"

simonh10y ago

Er, you press harder? A long touch is already a recognised gesture(1).

(1) https://developer.apple.com/library/prerelease/ios/documenta...

ThatOneDan10y ago

Well... there's pressure

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse