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0 pointsguard-of-terra10y ago0 comments

"nationalism, religion and ethnicity has always been used to destabilise countries" They were also used to create countries in the first place.

Remove nationalism, religious and ethnical union from a country and it starts to fall apart, just like Jugoslavia did.

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DominikR10y ago

I like your thought but Yugoslavia is (I think) a bad example for this. (I came from there)

There was no religious or ethnical union, of that I am 100% sure, and I'm also not convinced of nationalism there.

The unifying ideology was socialism/communism.

It is understandable why this did work so well in a country with no clear religious or ethnic majority because it tends to flat out deny any ethnic/cultural differences and restrict religions and places instead the socialist ideal in the center. (all are equal)

Once nationalism was on the rise it was the end of Yugoslavia. Now in place of being a socialist comrade everyone was either Serb, Croat, Bosnian and so on and demanded their own state.

guard-of-terraOP10y ago

Yugoslavia turned to be an unnatural union and was swept by tidal forces. It lacked glue and unifying ideology expired in the end.

This is a lesson why you need religious or ethnic union, or nationalism. Why else you are country X and not country Y or Z?

DominikR10y ago

I think this is one aspect. The other one that was cause for the demise was the lack of sound economics, as strange as it sounds.

At least from my and my families perspective everything was great as long as the economy was doing fine.

Why should back then anyone care about ethnicity or religion as long as everything was provided for. The society was egalitarian since the socialist government tried hard to create unity by this ideology of making everyone equal.

If you think about it it's not that different than what is depicted the Star Trek society, just with waaaay less technology.

Once the economy went downhill, which is inevitable with that kind of economic ideology people lost their belief and hope in the socialist ideology and went looking for something else. (Nationalism, Religion)

But in the end we should not loose sight of the fact that nation states are also just an idea. So are supranational states that are the current trend (EU, EEU) and who knows what tomorrow's trend may be.

What did not work in a national state might in a supranational state or some other organization form because each one comes with its own type of unifying ideology.

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DominikR10y ago

I like your thought but Yugoslavia is (I think) a bad example for this. (I came from there)

There was no religious or ethnical union, of that I am 100% sure, and I'm also not convinced of nationalism there.

The unifying ideology was socialism/communism.

Once nationalism was on the rise it was the end of Yugoslavia. Now in place of being a socialist comrade everyone was either Serb, Croat, Bosnian and so on and demanded their own state.

guard-of-terraOP10y ago

Yugoslavia turned to be an unnatural union and was swept by tidal forces. It lacked glue and unifying ideology expired in the end.

This is a lesson why you need religious or ethnic union, or nationalism. Why else you are country X and not country Y or Z?

DominikR10y ago

I think this is one aspect. The other one that was cause for the demise was the lack of sound economics, as strange as it sounds.

At least from my and my families perspective everything was great as long as the economy was doing fine.

If you think about it it's not that different than what is depicted the Star Trek society, just with waaaay less technology.

What did not work in a national state might in a supranational state or some other organization form because each one comes with its own type of unifying ideology.

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