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0 pointsJasper_9y ago0 comments

The systemd maintainers were one of the first ones to put together a technical proposal and do a lot of the implementation work for the UsrMerge, in a way that was reusable across distros.

systemd itself does not depend on being on a UsrMerge'd system, and otherwise, the proposal does not have anything to do with systemd.

From https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/TheCaseFor...

"Note that this page discusses a topic that is actually independent of systemd."

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JdeBP9y ago

You are quoting 2013 doco. systemd has (again) changed since then.

As of 2016, the position is that whilst there is still code in some of the program to handle a split /usr, a significant part of the system (in particular Plug and Play device management) now references /usr and depends from it, to the extent that it is already a requirement that /usr be always present: i.e. that it either be on the root volume or be mounted by /init (on the initramfs) before it invokes systemd.

* https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2016-Fe...

Lennart Poettering is indeed now pushing for systemd to impose a similar requirement for /var .

* https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2016-Fe...

Jasper_OP9y ago

Uh, I don't see how this is related to UsrMerge? You can still have separate /usr/bin and /bin directories, you just need to make sure /usr is mounted and accessible during boot. Requiring /usr be available during boot has long been the case for Linux, even before systemd came along.

spc4769y ago

So, as Linus controls the kernel, Lennart wants to control userspace?

digi_owl9y ago

I'm not sure Torvalds care about control either way, he just wants to build a kernel to be proud off.

arca_vorago9y ago

I have a sneaking suspicion one day systemd is going to try to replace the gnu in gnu/linux.

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digi_owl9y ago

That one curious definiton of "reusable"...

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0 pointsJasper_9y ago0 comments

The systemd maintainers were one of the first ones to put together a technical proposal and do a lot of the implementation work for the UsrMerge, in a way that was reusable across distros.

systemd itself does not depend on being on a UsrMerge'd system, and otherwise, the proposal does not have anything to do with systemd.

From https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/TheCaseFor...

"Note that this page discusses a topic that is actually independent of systemd."

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JdeBP9y ago

You are quoting 2013 doco. systemd has (again) changed since then.

* https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2016-Fe...

Lennart Poettering is indeed now pushing for systemd to impose a similar requirement for /var .

* https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2016-Fe...

Jasper_OP9y ago

spc4769y ago

So, as Linus controls the kernel, Lennart wants to control userspace?

digi_owl9y ago

I'm not sure Torvalds care about control either way, he just wants to build a kernel to be proud off.

arca_vorago9y ago

I have a sneaking suspicion one day systemd is going to try to replace the gnu in gnu/linux.

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digi_owl9y ago

That one curious definiton of "reusable"...

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse