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   Saudi Arabia might export an extremist [...] 
   but they don't advocate terror

Some contradiction right there.

   Iran is probably the world's largest [...] 
   militarily expansionist.

Iran has invaded which countries in the last 2000 years, and how does this compare with e.g. the Soviet Union, the US, the UK, the Mongols, the Incas?

   Iran is probably the world's largest terror exporter

Reference needed. Which large scale terror attacks in the last few decades (e.g. 9/11 or the attacks in Paris/Nice) were supported by Iran?

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berntb9y ago

I saw this much later. This is a misquote of what I said:

  >> Iran is probably the world's largest [...] 
  >>   militarily expansionist.

(But, as I noted, even the Iran priests talk about "emancipating" the Islam holy places from Saudi Arabia -- that even scared the Gulf States and SA to work with Israel.)

berntb9y ago

>> Some contradiction right there.

So just because someone is politically/religiously extreme they are violent?

>> Iran has invaded which countries in the last 2000 years

2 minutes with Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safavid_dynasty#Recovery_of_te...

"The Ottoman Turks and Safavids fought over the fertile plains of Iraq for more than 150 years"

(But I understand -- it was _really_ Iranian to start with. Iran's empires have been the only non-expansionist ones in human history. :-) )

>> Iranian terror.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_state-sponsored_terro...

(Edit: Wikipedia for terror is simpler than referencing e.g. the South American stuff, because then you will quote the Iranian priests' declarations of innocence. IIRC, once the Iranian leadership even denied supplying Hamas with weapons at the same time Hamas went out and thanked them. Bad coordination. :-) )

mafribeOP9y ago

   2 minutes with Wikipedia:

Wikipedia is not a credible source in such matters. Many of the claims are clearly dubious, e.g. "Bahraini security forces [...] arrested a number of suspects linked to Iran's Revolutionary Guards" Oh yes, Bahraini security forces, that fountain of truth, and model of just democracy.

berntb9y ago

>> Wikipedia is not a credible source in such matters. Many of the claims are clearly dubious

So....

Are you claiming that the content of Wikipedia is a USA conspiracy or a Jewish one? Or both?

(Edit: I really have seen people make those conspiracy claims, it is not totally a joke. They also didn't have any references, unlike wikipedia.)

mafribeOP9y ago

Neither the Bahraini security forces nor Wikipedia is a credible source. As a Wikipedia editor I've seen enough edit wars.

It is also well documented that all sides in the middle eastern conflicts invest heavily in propaganda. Here is but one example: The U.S. military payed over $540 millions to the British public relation firm Bell Pottinger [2] to create 'al-Qaeda' videos [2]. $540M buys you a lot of willing propagandeers. Are you being paid, or are you working for free?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_Pottinger

[2] http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/10/01/pentagon-pa...

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grkvlt9y ago

> Iran has invaded which countries in the last 2000 years

Iraq?

mafribeOP9y ago

When has that been the case?

The Iran–Iraq War of the 1980s was started by Iraq.

grkvlt9y ago

Oops. Never mind, then.

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berntb9y ago

I saw this much later. This is a misquote of what I said:

  >> Iran is probably the world's largest [...] 
  >>   militarily expansionist.

(But, as I noted, even the Iran priests talk about "emancipating" the Islam holy places from Saudi Arabia -- that even scared the Gulf States and SA to work with Israel.)

berntb9y ago

>> Some contradiction right there.

So just because someone is politically/religiously extreme they are violent?

>> Iran has invaded which countries in the last 2000 years

2 minutes with Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safavid_dynasty#Recovery_of_te...

"The Ottoman Turks and Safavids fought over the fertile plains of Iraq for more than 150 years"

(But I understand -- it was _really_ Iranian to start with. Iran's empires have been the only non-expansionist ones in human history. :-) )

>> Iranian terror.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_state-sponsored_terro...

mafribeOP9y ago

   2 minutes with Wikipedia:

berntb9y ago

>> Wikipedia is not a credible source in such matters. Many of the claims are clearly dubious

So....

Are you claiming that the content of Wikipedia is a USA conspiracy or a Jewish one? Or both?

(Edit: I really have seen people make those conspiracy claims, it is not totally a joke. They also didn't have any references, unlike wikipedia.)

mafribeOP9y ago

Neither the Bahraini security forces nor Wikipedia is a credible source. As a Wikipedia editor I've seen enough edit wars.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_Pottinger

[2] http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/10/01/pentagon-pa...

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grkvlt9y ago

> Iran has invaded which countries in the last 2000 years

Iraq?

mafribeOP9y ago

When has that been the case?

The Iran–Iraq War of the 1980s was started by Iraq.

grkvlt9y ago

Oops. Never mind, then.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse