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0 pointsenraged_camel9y ago0 comments

Actually, what people frown upon is using tables for layout. Using them to display actual tabular data is quite fine. (I mean, everything is fine at the end of the day as long as the end-user is happy, but you know what I mean...)

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talmand9y ago

No, you don't understand. I don't want to use tables for layout, I want to use tables to display a good old-fashioned table. A table displayed in an otherwise normally marked up page. That is what's getting the pushback.

I guess I could say I want to use table elements to layout a table, which would trigger the "don't use tables for layout" argument.

scottmf9y ago

They're misunderstanding what people mean by "don't use tables". And they don't know what they're talking about.

talmand9y ago

When I was informed of it, I responded with "they are wrong". We'll see how it goes.

mountaineer229y ago

Is your intent for Section 508 compliance?

If the table cells have specific individual widths and heights, and contain a .gif or .jpg of equal size within them, then that is an inappropriate use of tables today.

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chris_wot9y ago

So... ignore them? If you want to use a table for tabular data, then please - use a table!

If someone whines you've used a table, then ignore their whining and keep using table markup for tabular data.

talmand9y ago

Well, ignoring the situation is not a solution to this particular problem.

chris_wot9y ago

If it gets really bad, just mock them openly. Sure, you might not achieve your objective, but you'll have fun not getting there.

AtheistOfFail9y ago

That's the normal way to do a table. Why import a dozen different libraries to render something that is HTML-included and renders in like 0 time because it's built right into the fucking browser.

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talmand9y ago

I guess I could say I want to use table elements to layout a table, which would trigger the "don't use tables for layout" argument.

scottmf9y ago

They're misunderstanding what people mean by "don't use tables". And they don't know what they're talking about.

talmand9y ago

When I was informed of it, I responded with "they are wrong". We'll see how it goes.

mountaineer229y ago

Is your intent for Section 508 compliance?

If the table cells have specific individual widths and heights, and contain a .gif or .jpg of equal size within them, then that is an inappropriate use of tables today.

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chris_wot9y ago

So... ignore them? If you want to use a table for tabular data, then please - use a table!

If someone whines you've used a table, then ignore their whining and keep using table markup for tabular data.

talmand9y ago

Well, ignoring the situation is not a solution to this particular problem.

chris_wot9y ago

If it gets really bad, just mock them openly. Sure, you might not achieve your objective, but you'll have fun not getting there.

AtheistOfFail9y ago

That's the normal way to do a table. Why import a dozen different libraries to render something that is HTML-included and renders in like 0 time because it's built right into the fucking browser.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse