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0 pointsbrlewis9y ago0 comments

Quick fact check on that:

Uncle Tom's Cabin, the most effective anti-slavery propaganda of the 19th century, opened up with a scene of slaves living in favorable conditions and getting along well with their masters.

A Modest Enquiry Into the Nature of Witchcraft by John Hale is a book credited with ending the Salem Witch trials. In it he acknowledges testimony in the trials that could certainly lead one to believe witchcraft actually happened.

Stowe and Hale acknowledged truth in the opposing side in situations much more oppressive and discriminatory than Trump's border wall or immigration restrictions. People who want to effect change today should take note.

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mfukar9y ago

Yes, fact check.

There are no "favorable conditions" to slavery. Slavery sought to find moral ground on the hypothesis that the master knew what was best for their slaves. Stowe repeatedly makes the point that even kind masters were prevented from freeing their slaves.

Hale supported the work of the courts until his second wife was accused of practicing witchcraft. Hah.

This is, in fact, why it's so difficult to fight these things. Interpretation has trumped over documentation, context "fades", lies are so much easier to propagate, refuting bullshit could be an actual 24/7 job. How could anybody keep up. Maybe we're doomed to having morons destroy a few tens of millions of people every 100 years.

Chris20489y ago

But you are checking different facts.

The original fact being checked was:

> never in the history of history have people fought against discrimination, corruption, and oppression by saying "but they might have a point too"

mfukar9y ago

No, I replied right on point. Let me spell it out:

1. No "favorable conditions" to slavery means Stowe never recognised advantages to slavery. Not only he does not, but he laments it despite those "favorable conditions".

2. Hale didn't excuse the courts; he actively supported their work. That is, until he decided he didn't want to. Later commentators on the trials mark this as the defining moment that helped turn public opinion against the prosecutions.

To sum up my point, read your history.

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0 pointsbrlewis9y ago0 comments

Quick fact check on that:

Uncle Tom's Cabin, the most effective anti-slavery propaganda of the 19th century, opened up with a scene of slaves living in favorable conditions and getting along well with their masters.

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mfukar9y ago

Yes, fact check.

Hale supported the work of the courts until his second wife was accused of practicing witchcraft. Hah.

Chris20489y ago

But you are checking different facts.

The original fact being checked was:

> never in the history of history have people fought against discrimination, corruption, and oppression by saying "but they might have a point too"

mfukar9y ago

No, I replied right on point. Let me spell it out:

1. No "favorable conditions" to slavery means Stowe never recognised advantages to slavery. Not only he does not, but he laments it despite those "favorable conditions".

To sum up my point, read your history.

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