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0 pointsTeMPOraL9y ago0 comments

Config files are less of a problem. The issue is with programs, which you want to use with pipes. Each has its own undocumented, arbitrary pseudo-structure with often inconsistent semantics, optimized for viewing by user.

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bandrami9y ago

What programs are you thinking of? Maybe this is my sysadmin bias but about 90% of my UNIX tools usage is on config files...

JdeBP9y ago

Let me suggest an incendiary example: systemd

systemctl status wibble.service : Displays human-readable information, with colours, line drawings, and variable-length free-form text; that is exceedingly hard for a program to parse reliably.

Contrast with

systemctl show wibble.service : Outputs machine-readable information, in systemd's favourite form of a Windows INI file.

bandrami9y ago

Yikes. Makes me glad I run Slackware. Though I seem to recall from The Init Wars that it was precisely this quality of SystemD that made people lob the charge that it violated the "Unix philosophy"

TeMPOraLOP9y ago

ls, ps, du, df, ... pretty much all CLI tools. The kind you use in scripts.

bandrami9y ago

All four of which users are enjoined, over and over again, not to try to parse the output of (particularly ls). That is, those are the tools specifically not meant to be connected by pipelines, but merely used for operator convenience.

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bandrami9y ago

What programs are you thinking of? Maybe this is my sysadmin bias but about 90% of my UNIX tools usage is on config files...

JdeBP9y ago

Let me suggest an incendiary example: systemd

systemctl status wibble.service : Displays human-readable information, with colours, line drawings, and variable-length free-form text; that is exceedingly hard for a program to parse reliably.

Contrast with

systemctl show wibble.service : Outputs machine-readable information, in systemd's favourite form of a Windows INI file.

bandrami9y ago

Yikes. Makes me glad I run Slackware. Though I seem to recall from The Init Wars that it was precisely this quality of SystemD that made people lob the charge that it violated the "Unix philosophy"

TeMPOraLOP9y ago

ls, ps, du, df, ... pretty much all CLI tools. The kind you use in scripts.

bandrami9y ago

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