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0 pointskpil9y ago0 comments

"Immigrants don't commit crimes"... Well, if you import a lot of very poor and unskilled people, the result will be more crime.

Actually, I think it's more complicated that that. I can't find the data but I remember a report that stated that Somali and Iraqi immigrants had 5 time higher conviction rate, and that more than 25% had been convicted for a crime, compared to ~5% of swedes.

I also remembered that immigrants from Sri Lanka -that have been a conflict zone for a very long time - had more or less half the conviction rate than Swedes, which is an interesting fact.

[Swedish article about statistics in Norway, with very similar demographics and culture, except way lower immigration: https://www.svd.se/brottslighet-bland-invandrare-borde-oroa-...]

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bobdole12349y ago

So, don't let them be poor.

kpilOP9y ago

I doubt that any other country gives more money in the form of subsidies or social assistance programmes, both per capita (giver and receiver) and in absolute numbers.

They also have free healthcare and enjoys free education up to university, including financial aid for studies and a home equipment loan.

There are also very few signs of structured racism, when looking at various ethnic groups with comparable education, etc, although it of course exists, just like all other biases and generalisations in a society.

There have been a substantial asylum related immigration for long enough that we can look at the second generation, and their level of education, crime, etc, and draw the conclusion that whatever we are doing, it's not really enough or possibly not even the correct things to do.

kpilOP9y ago

Personally, I think it's more related to that many immigrants have a hard time to understand the highly individualist society when coming from clan societies, the case that many of them have traditional and backwards values that is frowned upon in the rest of the society although it's never ever done in the open, the islamists and wahhabist propaganda that uses them for their own purposes, and even how we put them in areas where the brutalist architecture, disappointing, misguided, and dirt-cheap city planning amplifies the social group dynamic effects that could perhaps been kept in check in a more non-anonymous society (as explored by Philip Zimbardo.)

And class ( or socioeconomic background - there are related problems that are ignored ). And education. And the fact that we have not done anything to prevent this for the past 30 years.

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0 pointskpil9y ago0 comments

"Immigrants don't commit crimes"... Well, if you import a lot of very poor and unskilled people, the result will be more crime.

I also remembered that immigrants from Sri Lanka -that have been a conflict zone for a very long time - had more or less half the conviction rate than Swedes, which is an interesting fact.

[Swedish article about statistics in Norway, with very similar demographics and culture, except way lower immigration: https://www.svd.se/brottslighet-bland-invandrare-borde-oroa-...]

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bobdole12349y ago

So, don't let them be poor.

kpilOP9y ago

I doubt that any other country gives more money in the form of subsidies or social assistance programmes, both per capita (giver and receiver) and in absolute numbers.

They also have free healthcare and enjoys free education up to university, including financial aid for studies and a home equipment loan.

kpilOP9y ago

And class ( or socioeconomic background - there are related problems that are ignored ). And education. And the fact that we have not done anything to prevent this for the past 30 years.

reitanqild9y ago

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