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0 pointstgragnato9y ago0 comments

I read their post "incident report" too . Isolation is claimed, but if I understand correctly, HTTP handling is shared between customers. Am I wrong ?

Suppose you're a "bad actor", knowing this is a shared service, wouldn't you look for 0 days in it ? A carefully crafted exploit has the potential to leak specific content from unaware customers again.

The attack surface is nginx (http://nginx.org/en/security_advisories.html) plus each component of each loaded module ...

It would be saner to apply isolation to each element of the cartesian product between customers and services.

The performance (and cost) impact can be mitigated by scheduling resources over a pool of disposable virtual machines (obviously in xen and with iommu protection), but I bet they can develop even better solutions.

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jsmeaton9y ago

Even if there were a set of VMs per customer (and all the scaling per customer overhead that goes along with that), a carefully crafted exploit would still reveal details for that customer. Then it'd be a matter of enumerating all of the customers you were interested in exploiting, which would make it easier to get data for a specific target.

The operational overhead of VM/Container isolation for the cartesian product of customer + service sounds like it'd be extremely prohibitive. It's certainly a tradeoff, but to claim it's saner is missing all of the other costs associated with such a system.

tgragnatoOP9y ago

Yeah it makes a targeted attack easier. But it prevents attacks across different customers. Tradeoffs ...

Maintaining a running pool of VMs per service in a sufficient number to serve the load of requests grouped by customer, and assigning the VM to a specific customer only at needs is different than running permanently a pool of (n).customers x (m).services VMs.

This is why an efficient scheduler and the usage of disposable VMs is a need. Still depending on the load and the variety of the traffic it may not be feasible, you are absolutely right !

Another approach to ensure isolation is the usage of a MAC framework. As I wrote "I bet they can develop even better solutions" ;)

jacquesm9y ago

The point is that if they had isolated their customers only those customers using that particular feature would have been affected. Now potentially all customers have been affected.

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