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0 pointsktta9y ago0 comments

That's a perfect solution actually. But sadly, we aren't there just yet. There are nuances with these things that software can't (yet) pickup.

So humans have to do it till then. We were maybe born too early. But I think it makes things interesting.

That means there are still problems for you and me to solve.

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natch9y ago

Actually it's a horrible non-solution.

Assuming these experts are perfect and infallible (a bad assumption), then what does it prove?

That only an authorized government agent can have access?

Can you not think of any problem with that whatsoever?

kttaOP9y ago

I actually didn't suggest a complete solution. You seem to judge the proposition without any further questions.

I said the monitoring software having access to the data was a solution. But you're probably thinking of a case where there is a master encryption key which we just hand to the government. But have you thought of a solution where we can be sure of the access that the software will have?

Something like a infallible way we can choose only the software can view the data. Sure, you're quick to dismiss it because it doesn't exist. That's why I said it didn't exist

There needn't be centralized way of communication you're thinking of now. It can be public software that people can choose to run.

> Assuming these experts are perfect and infallible

Well, you can have the same skepticism for the end-to-end encrypted software you use. How can you assume that it isn't broken?

natch9y ago

>I actually didn't suggest a complete solution.

Nobody is saying you did. You yourself said "that is a perfect solution actually" in response to vinceyuan, who had a one-liner comment about "the source code of the monitoring software must be reviewed by independent and trusted software engineers/experts."

Maybe we are interpreting this in different ways.

How do you envision this "solution" working? It is a bit vaguely specified.

Who is doing the monitoring? What or who is being monitored? For example are we talking about monitoring the authorities to see if their access is done properly? Or are we talking about something / someone monitoring communications, on behalf of the authorities? Not sure what you had in mind. Can you explain how what you called "perfect" might work, were it to be developed at some point in the future?

I'll say up front that I'm skeptical, but let's see if we are even talking about the same thing. As long as you're being super vague, you don't have a solution at all.

And if you're just saying: there's no solution now but maybe one can be developed, fine (I believe you're wrong) but please clarify how you think it might work.

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natch9y ago

Actually it's a horrible non-solution.

Assuming these experts are perfect and infallible (a bad assumption), then what does it prove?

That only an authorized government agent can have access?

Can you not think of any problem with that whatsoever?

kttaOP9y ago

I actually didn't suggest a complete solution. You seem to judge the proposition without any further questions.

Something like a infallible way we can choose only the software can view the data. Sure, you're quick to dismiss it because it doesn't exist. That's why I said it didn't exist

There needn't be centralized way of communication you're thinking of now. It can be public software that people can choose to run.

> Assuming these experts are perfect and infallible

Well, you can have the same skepticism for the end-to-end encrypted software you use. How can you assume that it isn't broken?

natch9y ago

>I actually didn't suggest a complete solution.

Maybe we are interpreting this in different ways.

How do you envision this "solution" working? It is a bit vaguely specified.

I'll say up front that I'm skeptical, but let's see if we are even talking about the same thing. As long as you're being super vague, you don't have a solution at all.

And if you're just saying: there's no solution now but maybe one can be developed, fine (I believe you're wrong) but please clarify how you think it might work.

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