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0 pointsgeofft8y ago0 comments

It's an existential threat for people who want to be intolerant, unkind, and disrespectful, because it makes it clear that spaces that don't accept such behavior end up being at least as productive and as useful for the world as spaces that do.

Therefore it's extremely important for such people to establish the world as a a safe space against safe spaces, and to push the idea that such spaces are untenable or morally bad or whatever will avoid more of those spaces existing.

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LordKano8y ago

I make an effort to not be intolerant but I have found myself being attacked for holding beliefs and political positions that are "outside of the mainstream" and there are people who can not tolerate that.

I like that they made the attempt to build this but I would have never joined it because I could see myself getting into conflicts because of my beliefs.

kristianc8y ago

Would you join a Subreddit which reinforces these political beliefs and is that not a safe space in itself?

It seems to me that everywhere on the internet that you might class as a 'haven of free speech' (whether it's 4chan, Twitter, Mumsnet or Atheists Rationalist Skeptics Anonymous) comes with an underlying set of social norms which to some extent preconfigure the kind of debate that will happen there. Imzy is just another one of those, no?

LordKano8y ago

Would you join a Subreddit which reinforces these political beliefs and is that not a safe space in itself?

If I understand your question, yes. I would join such a Subreddit because an echo-chamber isn't what I seek.

I completely agree with forbidding things like doxing or making threats of violence but I'm concerned that "Safe spaces" only encourage intolerance towards other points of view.

Disagreement is good. Maybe I'm wrong and you can show me a side that I had never considered. Maybe you're wrong and I can present an argument that changes how you think about something. I have had my mind changed by a persuasive argument in the past. Perhaps I will again in the future. I have friends that I have seen change their views over time and I hope that I was at least a part of what caused them to change on those issues.

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seibelj8y ago

Alternatively, you can close your eyes, cover your ears, turn off the radio, change the channel, close the browser, do literally anything else. Some people are anti-censorship in all its forms, but you have a nice straw man going there. Freedom of speech, freedom of thought

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LordKano8y ago

I like that they made the attempt to build this but I would have never joined it because I could see myself getting into conflicts because of my beliefs.

kristianc8y ago

Would you join a Subreddit which reinforces these political beliefs and is that not a safe space in itself?

LordKano8y ago

Would you join a Subreddit which reinforces these political beliefs and is that not a safe space in itself?

If I understand your question, yes. I would join such a Subreddit because an echo-chamber isn't what I seek.

I completely agree with forbidding things like doxing or making threats of violence but I'm concerned that "Safe spaces" only encourage intolerance towards other points of view.

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seibelj8y ago

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