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0 pointssystems8y ago0 comments

i thought dotty is a new compiler for scala, not a new language

does it break compatibility with current version of scala

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It's a brand new language that looks like Scala but has its own syntax, which is incompatible with Scala's.

No, Dotty is the next generation Scala compiler, the syntax is overwhelmingly compatible, with new features and some breakage.

Just like Go has "gofix", Scala will have "Scalafix", that will automate migration between Scala 2.x (scalac) and Scala 3.x (Dotty)

AheadOfTime2958y ago

Migration problems can be tricky. An umbrella ticket [1] tracks Spark's migration from Scala 2.11 to 2.12

"Tricky" as in [2] "Spark 1.x's Dataset API runs into subtle source incompatibility problems for Java 8 and Scala 2.12"

[1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SPARK-14220

[2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SPARK-14643

felipehummel8y ago

That's no true at all. The syntax is pretty similar with few key differences. The idea is for dotty to become Scala 3.0. But, in the meantime, the next Scala 2.* versions will pave the way for 3.0. Meaning to avoid too many breaking changes in 3.0.

The above has been said repeatedly by Martin Odersky (creator of Scala) and the folks on the Scala compiler team in talks and discussions.

hota_mazi8y ago

Martin has made no guarantee of compatibility or even to supply a Scalafix app. The fact you can do this relatively easily today is just a consequence of Dotty being very young. As it evolves and becomes more complex, there is no guarantee that a translation from Scala to Dotty will even be possible to achieve automatically.

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hota_mazi8y ago

It's a brand new language that looks like Scala but has its own syntax, which is incompatible with Scala's.

_lbaq8y ago

No, Dotty is the next generation Scala compiler, the syntax is overwhelmingly compatible, with new features and some breakage.

Just like Go has "gofix", Scala will have "Scalafix", that will automate migration between Scala 2.x (scalac) and Scala 3.x (Dotty)

AheadOfTime2958y ago

Migration problems can be tricky. An umbrella ticket [1] tracks Spark's migration from Scala 2.11 to 2.12

"Tricky" as in [2] "Spark 1.x's Dataset API runs into subtle source incompatibility problems for Java 8 and Scala 2.12"

[1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SPARK-14220

[2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SPARK-14643

felipehummel8y ago

The above has been said repeatedly by Martin Odersky (creator of Scala) and the folks on the Scala compiler team in talks and discussions.

hota_mazi8y ago

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