Airbnb In Amsterdam (opens in new tab)

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30 pointsjoshschoen8y ago20 comments

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The original title does not contain "terryfing", so please remove that.

Also, I fail to see wha's so terrifying about that.

In 2015 it looks like 10-15 rentals a day.

If you refer to the map, it shows the new rooms-to-let added on that particular day. Rest assured that there were/are hundreds to thousands of transactions per day in Amsterdam. OP used this datasource: http://insideairbnb.com/get-the-data.html

jzwinck8y ago

Correct title is "Airbnb in Amsterdam."

There is an obvious lack of data cleaning here. You can see from the first places drawn on the map that a lot of them are duplicated. I don't think that many people have multiple dwellings in the same area.

Nanite8y ago

There's quite a few agencies, which maintain a facade of being a private person or couple renting out a property and listing a dozen or so properties on one account. The presentation of the data could have been a bit more slick & accessible, the labels are huge. For instance, presenting the data as an evolving heatmap with total properties per neighborhood, cumulative listings over time etc

Angostura8y ago

Agencies with multiple postings, presumably.

"Of all London's Airbnb listings, 41% belong to hosts who are listing more than one rental, according to Inside Airbnb."

http://uk.businessinsider.com/statistics-data-airbnb-rent-pr...

Nanite8y ago

Why is this submission flagged? is it because the OP used the clickbaity title? The data presented in the link is quite interesting

dang8y ago

Users flagged it. Not sure why; probably because of the title.

itcrowd8y ago

AirBnB is a plague in Amsterdam where people rent out their house almost full-time on the service. A lot of concern has been voiced by neighbours and public figures (notably Arjen Lubach, a sort of Dutch John Oliver). The critisicm comes from the fact that Airbnb pretends to be a place for short term rentals and family businesses on the side, but is spiralling more and more into professional agencies renting out houses without much supervision in terms of safety or tax.

I guess most major cities around the world face this problem but this is a nice visualization.

trevyn8y ago

Travelers are interested in easy, cute, short-term apartment rentals. I fail to see how this is even surprising.

The mega-trends happen whether you like them or not. Adapt or die.

thecolorblue8y ago

I think I missed something. Why is this terrifying?

scoot8y ago

What's terrifying is how effective a click bait title is, even on HN.

baybal28y ago

Why so much fuzz with this thing?

nkoren8y ago

How is this terrifying? Each one of those dots represents actual wealth being created.

probably_wrong8y ago

Here's an aspect.

In Berlin, landlords realized they could get three times as much from an apartment by putting it on AirBnB rather than actually renting it to someone. The situation got so bad that it is now illegal to rent an apartment where you don't actually live[1] (with exceptions[2]).

If the situation in Amsterdam is similar to Berlin, this means that every one of those dots[3] is an apartment that locals cannot use. Tourists are, on a way, taking over their city, and those that live there have to reshape their lives to accommodate them. The citizens of Amsterdam, the ones that make it a nice place to visit in the first place, are losing access to their own city.

[1] https://berlin.airbnbcitizen.com/update-from-berlin/ [2] https://www.thelocal.de/20160809/court-rules-small-victory-a... [3] Minus the data cleaning issues mentioned somewhere else

Boothroid8y ago

In my experience hotels in Amsterdam are expensive and low quality. Perhaps if this weren't the case, there wouldn't be such a market for AirBnB. Moreover, tourists bring huge amounts of money to Amsterdam. Without this the city and its citizens would be considerably poorer.

jaclaz8y ago

>Each one of those dots represents actual wealth being created.

Or - maybe - subtracted from the potential wealth of hotels and similar.

sk0g8y ago

Well, then it might be terrifying for hotels then.

I'm not sure what the overall impact of Airbnb will be on the more low-end jobs. Sure you won't need bellboys etc, but cleaners will still be handy. I remember reading about a guy who had a very smooth Airbnb operation. He had dedicated fixers (electricians, furniture restorers, etc), and cleaners. So all he really had to do was approve random people who wanted this house for a while, and he was effectively making 2x what he would from rent, though this might have been riskier than just renting it out.

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flexie8y ago

And an equal wealth being destroyed for the 2-4 most immediate neighbors

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