I think single-sex education is the answer here because for girls, it allows them to flourish and grow without the male-dominated Middle Eastern oppression. Girls can grow and learn in an environment that is more free, and open for them. I would be curious to see if this is true in other parts of the world that allow for single-sex education.
It annoys me slightly that the narrative is that, when boys are doing better, it's because the girls are being held back somehow and when the boys are doing better it's because of an inherent failing in the boys. I have a funny feeling it's al la bit more nuanced than that.
Girls who work in that environment grow up without great interaction with boys and face a lot of trouble in future. However this is India where women can work etc. In Islamic oppressive countries however things might be different.
Women work in Pakistan too, FYI. India and Pakistan have been separated for roughly 60 years, their cultures are very similar.
assuming this is your personal opinion?
That this results in large amounts of effort should not surprise anyone.
The article does point this out but it does not give it the central attention it deserves.
http://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2014/04/girls-grades....
When males outperform females, everyone concludes the system is biased and we should remove the bias.
When females outperform males, they say things like "This is baffling on the most obvious levels."
Maybe the educational system is biased, favoring how girls learn and behave. Is it hard for people to imagine that systems can benefit girls at the expense of boys, or can they only see the opposite?
If there are biases favoring how girls learn, then they are disadvantaging boys and might consider removing the bias.
Another way of looking at it might be ‘why are Jordan’s girls able to do so well where girls in similar situations in other countries do not’.
> When females outperform males, they say things like "This is baffling on the most obvious levels."
You point out hypocrisy, but follow it up with an equal but opposite?
> Maybe the educational system is biased, favoring how girls learn and behave. Is it hard for people to imagine that systems can benefit girls at the expense of boys, or can they only see the opposite?
> If there are biases favoring how girls learn, then they are disadvantaging boys and might consider removing the bias.
Are you saying that these schools unfairly favors girls, but not so when it's the other way around?
Can it not be that this instead proves that systems can be and are biased, in both directions?
I believe that's the point GP was making. Where does it imply otherwise?
Thinking this proves one thing or another is likely incorrect.
There was a time not that long ago when most people would think these findings suggest:
a) There can be noticeable differences across cultures b) There can be noticeable differences across genders
Of course, any modern enlightened non-racist non-misogynst westerner would know both of these beliefs are obviously false.
(Since I had to clarify this last time: the term refers to expressions or expectations of masculinity and masculine behaviour that are toxic, not a claim that masculinity is toxic in and of itself.)
> For one thing, boys’ schools are more violent places, concluded the study
> Boys also reported worse relationships with their male teachers
> male teachers were three times as likely as female teachers to say they were dissatisfied with teaching
> "Most of the problems I face with male teachers is that they want to yell at kids, to humiliate them.”
> The separation of students, teachers, and administrators into single-sex public schools may serve cultural and religious purposes, but it seems to create an unintentional ghetto for boys
> “Boys don’t feel that school can necessarily help them reach manhood.”
> In order to avoid all-female cohorts of students, Sultan Qaboos University, Oman’s only public university, now has two sets of admission criteria: one lower bar for men and one higher bar for women.
(affirmitive action!)
While I've been quote-picking I've noticed that this article is really nicely structured. The first sentence of each paragraph makes a point, then the rest of the paragraph introduces supporting statements.
I'd suggest that the term itself is toxic (and/or sexist). If you think otherwise, can you suggest examples of (stereotypically) masculine behaviours that aren't considered toxic, but positive by the mainstream public/media? Also, can you give any examples of "toxic femininity" behaviours?
If either of these is "no/none", then I'd prefer if you (and everybody else) avoided using this term.
Sports. Military Service. Working Fathers.
- Being passive to a point of causing harm through inaction
- Gossiping/body shaming/putting others down with words
The positive masculine traits should be obvious, but I'll list a few:
- Bravery
- Competitiveness
- Independence
- Confidence
The idea that women should be subservient and avoid conflict at all costs would be an example of "toxic femininity". It's a mirror image of behaviors that come under "toxic masculinity", though, so I'm not sure if the term has any utility.
"Toxic" femininity: Gossip, hysteria.
http://nebula.wsimg.com/63037e2d226dc6cdac787a498f2ddaf6?Acc...
The final paragraph is particularly poignant:
"It may be true, as developmental research suggests, that boys tend to be more active and take longer, on average, to learn to control their impulses. But those are challenges that well-trained teachers and informed parents should be able to handle. Boys are not defective; schools are. The fact that boys are struggling around the world means that too many schools are designed with a bias for girls. Too many teachers prefer compliance over competition, quiet diligence over risk-taking, and on average that leads to schools that are more comfortable for girls than for boys in every time zone. But given the world they are inheriting, just as boys need to learn to focus, girls need to learn to take risks.
And neither can thrive in a world where the other is diminished."
How is this any different than the increasing discrimination experienced by Asians in Ivy League admissions? I would say that the administrators are just following what the top universities in the world are doing to keep demographics as they would like them.
This was a school of upper class kids and, to me, the attitude I would expect for children of tyrants.
https://www.khaleejtimes.com/news/uae-health/posh-lifestyle-...
Can't find anything to cite(lazy) but have never seen anything that contradicted it.
I just took it as a simple obvious girls temper boys behaviour.
It is an interesting moral issue. Do you let girls be worse off for the common social good?
A better question should be is why men do so relatively poor compared in middle eastern nations.
Not to promote gender stereotypes and what not but I wonder if some of these results are due to the fact that’s women seem to be better at communicating and school is very much about communication. I personally would have just preferred being given the time and desk to read the textbook, I don’t need a person to chew it for me.
Education is important, the idea of school in the current format is outdated and retarded. However this is unlikely to change since students have very little power to change things.
I strongly disagree, but I'm willing to hear a viable alternative that covers millions of children/families (eg. no private tutoring or homeschooling). Let's not forget that school also helps children socialize and parents focus on their work.
> Let's not forget that school also helps children socialize
Yeah don't force me to socialize pls.
Also how much time is really given in school for socialization?
What would you do differently?
I also found the switching between subjects to be really annoying. Like what if I want to spend half a day a week on the single subject as oppposed to an hour every day. Context switching overhead is real.
I want a desk and a textbook. I need a teacher only when I get stuck.
I also find that if you aren’t extroverted school is hell. It might be hell if you are extroverted too but it’s double hell if you aren’t.
Do you realise that not all people are smart, and for those who aren't - this is the way to go.