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0 pointsKozmoNau78y ago0 comments

> gmail dicthed IMAP in favor of their own API. Pluging an IMAP client into your email account requires to dig inside your account security settings and change several obscure values with scary names and warnings. Sometime it even doesn't work, and then you do it again later, and it works for no reason. A non tech saavy user will never succeed in doing that, and hence everybody will use the web base version.

I went to the settings page, selected "enable IMAP" and used the values in the provided link to set up my Gmail as an IMAP account in Thunderbird. No messing around with account security, no "obscure values" to change.

I didn't even have to generate an app-specific password (I use 2FA), because Thunderbird understands the authentication page request.

> I had "burn after reading" documents that I could never open because of this.

Why were those documents ever on an Internet-connected device?

> I just wanted emails when I open my first gmail account. Not that.

Honestly, if you didn't know back then that Google was primarily an advertising company, and that they would scan your emails to generate targeted ads, you obviously weren't following along, which seems weird considering your obvious focus on security on privacy.

I'm getting ready to migrate away from Gmail myself (I'll keep it running unused as my Google account), mostly so I can have my own domain under my own control.

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sametmax8y ago

> I went to the settings page, selected "enable IMAP" and used the values in the provided link to set up my Gmail as an IMAP account in Thunderbird. No messing around with account security, no "obscure values" to change.

A.K.A."It works on my machine". Lucky you.

> Why were those documents ever on an Internet-connected device?

Because that's the whole purpose of 0bin.net. The fact it's a good practice or not has nothing to do with the current thread. Google should not follow links in my emails. Browsing links can have a lots of side effects, and given how little my clients knows about IT, their mails provider should not mess with their mails.

> Honestly, if you didn't know back then that Google was primarily an advertising company, and that they would scan your emails to generate targeted ads, you obviously weren't following along, which seems weird considering your obvious focus on security on privacy.

So your argument is that I made bad decisions so I should not criticism Google's behavior ? That's a weird stance.

KozmoNau7OP8y ago

> A.K.A."It works on my machine". Lucky you.

It has worked flawlessly on multiple PCs, multiple operating systems, multiple email clients. It's my primary way of using Gmail and Gcal, through Evolution on Linux Mint.

It even worked perfectly on my ancient Sony-Ericsson feature phone's terrible built-in email client, back when I still used that hunk of shit.

There are no "obscure values" to change, just a completely ordinary settings page with a toggle, and a link to the URLs and ports you need to use.

> So your argument is that I made bad decisions so I should not criticism Google's behavior ? That's a weird stance.

My argument is that you were blinded by the allure of free email with ~unlimited storage, and forgot to take into account that 1) there is no such thing as a free lunch, and 2) Google is an advertising company, first and foremost.

You knew what you were getting into, being a privacy and security minded person. If you decided to forego your principles to get a fancy @gmail.com address, that's your own mistake.

sametmax8y ago

That sounds a lot like the people saying "wow, you knew you were going on that part of town with that sexy dress and you got harass. Blames on you.". Errr... no.

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0 pointsKozmoNau78y ago0 comments

I didn't even have to generate an app-specific password (I use 2FA), because Thunderbird understands the authentication page request.

> I had "burn after reading" documents that I could never open because of this.

Why were those documents ever on an Internet-connected device?

> I just wanted emails when I open my first gmail account. Not that.

I'm getting ready to migrate away from Gmail myself (I'll keep it running unused as my Google account), mostly so I can have my own domain under my own control.

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sametmax8y ago

A.K.A."It works on my machine". Lucky you.

> Why were those documents ever on an Internet-connected device?

So your argument is that I made bad decisions so I should not criticism Google's behavior ? That's a weird stance.

KozmoNau7OP8y ago

> A.K.A."It works on my machine". Lucky you.

It has worked flawlessly on multiple PCs, multiple operating systems, multiple email clients. It's my primary way of using Gmail and Gcal, through Evolution on Linux Mint.

It even worked perfectly on my ancient Sony-Ericsson feature phone's terrible built-in email client, back when I still used that hunk of shit.

There are no "obscure values" to change, just a completely ordinary settings page with a toggle, and a link to the URLs and ports you need to use.

> So your argument is that I made bad decisions so I should not criticism Google's behavior ? That's a weird stance.

You knew what you were getting into, being a privacy and security minded person. If you decided to forego your principles to get a fancy @gmail.com address, that's your own mistake.

sametmax8y ago

That sounds a lot like the people saying "wow, you knew you were going on that part of town with that sexy dress and you got harass. Blames on you.". Errr... no.

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