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0 pointssillysaurus38y ago0 comments

Certainly, and that's the way to do it. My point is, you end up converging on learning Redux. You really do learn Redux no matter what, so it's kind of a myth that you "don't need to learn Redux."

Theoretically, you can get by without learning it. In practice, the moment you try to build a real company, you need it. That necessitates learning Redux.

I think this is an uncomfortable thought because it implies that Vue is way easier for devs to get into, and that's step one to displacing React+Redux. But that seems like an uncomfortable truth.

Whoever is in charge of React needs to give Vue the Snapchat treatment. Take them seriously as competitors. There's still time.

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ng128y ago

I don't understand your argument -- wouldn't it follow then that Vue devs converge on learning VueX? VueX is very similar to Redux, I don't see how that's a point in Vue's favor if our metric is time spent learning.

sillysaurus3OP8y ago

It's roughly a bajillion times easier to learn. And that counts for a lot.

You have to take yourself out of the "experienced React+Redux dev" mindset and put yourself in the shoes of "Experienced dev looking to invest in one of two ecosystems" mindset. Which one is the path of least resistance?

The point is, React+Redux people would love to believe that it's "Vue+VueX." But in reality, it feels like "just vue." A sword is stronger as a single piece, and Vue+VueX feels like a single piece.

It's up to people to learn both and decide for themselves, but my argument is simply this: it's a mistake to underestimate the traction Vue is gaining.

There's a strong temptation to blame the dev: They're not smart enough, they should have been able to pick up Redux easier, Vue+VueX is the same as React+Redux. But all I can do is report my experiences, and an honest survey of the ecosystem would lead us to conclude that Vue+VueX is far easier to learn without sacrificing any flexibility for your company in the long run.

ng128y ago

I think you've made several assertions about Vue which reflect an inherent bias. VueX and Redux are _remarkably_ similar libraries and I think your assertion that VueX is easier to learn (egregious hyperbole aside) is a pretty weak argument.

To be clear: I like both React and Vue and am fundamentally skeptical of arguments that one is significantly better/worse/different than the other.

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0 pointssillysaurus38y ago0 comments

Certainly, and that's the way to do it. My point is, you end up converging on learning Redux. You really do learn Redux no matter what, so it's kind of a myth that you "don't need to learn Redux."

Theoretically, you can get by without learning it. In practice, the moment you try to build a real company, you need it. That necessitates learning Redux.

I think this is an uncomfortable thought because it implies that Vue is way easier for devs to get into, and that's step one to displacing React+Redux. But that seems like an uncomfortable truth.

Whoever is in charge of React needs to give Vue the Snapchat treatment. Take them seriously as competitors. There's still time.

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ng128y ago

sillysaurus3OP8y ago

It's roughly a bajillion times easier to learn. And that counts for a lot.

The point is, React+Redux people would love to believe that it's "Vue+VueX." But in reality, it feels like "just vue." A sword is stronger as a single piece, and Vue+VueX feels like a single piece.

It's up to people to learn both and decide for themselves, but my argument is simply this: it's a mistake to underestimate the traction Vue is gaining.

ng128y ago

To be clear: I like both React and Vue and am fundamentally skeptical of arguments that one is significantly better/worse/different than the other.

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