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0 pointsmirimir8y ago0 comments

> No mass escapes the event horizon. These are black holes after all :)

OK, that makes sense (for whatever that's worth).

But from the article:

> ... the latest discovery was produced by the merger of two relatively light black holes, 7 and 12 times the mass of the sun ... The merger left behind a final black hole 18 times the mass of the sun, meaning that energy equivalent to about 1 solar mass was emitted as gravitational waves during the collision.

And you say:

> the ultimate merger of the black holes releases the incredible amount of gravitational potential energy that existed between them when they were separate bodies.

I think that I get it. It's just that the stated masses of the merging black holes (7 and 12 solar masses) include gravitational potential energy. So the rest masses of the black holes didn't change, just their gravitational potential energy.

Yes?

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improbable228y ago

For black holes these aren't separate concepts. An apple and the earth each have rest mass, and gravity means there is also potential energy in their separation. But a black hole is an object with rest mass which is made purely out of gravity.

With two well-separated black holes it's reasonable to talk about each of their rest masses, and the potential, just like the apple. But as they get close and merge these ideas are hard to pin down, and stop being useful. Their shapes get blended together, and their horizons unite into one sphere, and for a while this wobbles around a lot before settling down. Some of the energy of its wobbling around departs as gravitational waves. Once it's settled down you can meaningfully talk about its rest mass again.

mirimirOP8y ago

OK, but what about the event horizon issue? So some stuff (GM) can escape the event horizon, but other stuff (matter, light) can't escape. So they must somewhat be separate concepts, because the event horizon affects them differently.

improbable228y ago

No, not really. Just about everything we say about black holes is talking only about the exterior, the region of spacetime outside the horizon. The simulations through which we model the merging of two black holes only model the exterior of both. The curvature of this exterior is what gets all churned up during the collision, and some of it ends up travelling off as gravitational waves.

The fact that we can get away with studying only the exterior is really the same fact that the horizon is a horizon. The causality only goes one way, for everything not just for normal matter. And thus ignorance of the interior is no barrier to understanding the exterior.

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0 pointsmirimir8y ago0 comments

> No mass escapes the event horizon. These are black holes after all :)

OK, that makes sense (for whatever that's worth).

But from the article:

And you say:

> the ultimate merger of the black holes releases the incredible amount of gravitational potential energy that existed between them when they were separate bodies.

Yes?

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improbable228y ago

mirimirOP8y ago

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