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0 pointsavar8y ago0 comments

Yes, of course the rich are going to end up paying for BI no matter what. At some point the government is just taking $1000 out of your wallet and handing it back as BI, depending on your income.

But this is explicitly what the proponents of BI want. It's as much about the optics as who pays for it. I.e. the idea is to create a program that draws its political support from everyone getting paid a check, similar to how Roosevelt enacted social security to include all citizens, even those who were millionaires and had no need for it.

Which is what sets it apart from Negative Income Tax.

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kgwgk8y ago

So it’s not like it at all, but it’s the same and it’s just that it looks different. Ok then. I can see why talking about receiving money is more popular than talking about taxes.

avarOP8y ago

I'm not an advocate for BI but I think I've given you an accurate summary of what BI proponents would say about a NIT. E.g. listen to this Econtalk episode[1] where the host / guest have a debate on this exact topic.

Your argument that BI would be revenue neutral for some taxpayers and therefore we should just use NIT to avoid the sillyness of the government taking $1 from you just to give $1 right back to you isn't wrong, but it's missing what BI proponents are trying to achieve.

It's mainly about achieving roughly the same ends with different optics, and the comparison to Social Security is often brought up. Enacting any system like this is going to be politically difficult, and BI proponents believe that "everyone gets the same" is an easier sell than "this is another subsidy for the poor".

1. http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2017/01/michael_munger_3.ht...

WorldMaker8y ago

It's a bit more than just optics: there even is an economic advantage to guaranteed short term loans. If you know the government hands you a check April 16 every year, even if that money goes back into your taxes the next April 15, you still have a year to make that money work for you, however you see fit. It forces that money to circulate, and that can be useful to economic activity.

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