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0 pointsbonzini8y ago0 comments

Kata Containers uses KVM; QEMU, which is the userspace KVM client, is configured so that it looks like you are running on a container.

However, what you get is indeed a virtual machine. It is simply impossible for "real" containers to provide the same isolation as virtual machine, simply because the attack surface is that of the shared kernel; a hypervisor presents a much more constrained interface to a VM than the full kernel, even if you add QEMU to the mix.

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pstuart8y ago

Silly question: if the KVM is using para-virtualized drivers and there is a vulnerability in same, then the host kernel would still be vulnerable?

bonziniOP8y ago

Many of KVM's paravirtualized drivers run in QEMU, and in turn that is usually running heavily confined, for example using SELinux.

So it's true that, as in the famous Theo de Raadt rant, virtualization overall adds to the attack surface compared to containers. But it would also be stupid to ignore that it also introduces very important bottlenecks: to get to the hypervisor, you have to break KVM which is only ~60000 lines of code; getting remote code execution in QEMU might be easier, but then you also have to break the host kernel from a process that has access to almost nothing on the system.

There is also vhost, which is implementing PV drivers in the host kernel. This however is also a small amount of code, and it is generally used only for networking and AF_VSOCK sockets.

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