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0 pointsfrgtpsswrdlame8y ago0 comments

>Yeah, there is. "Women are worse" implies that there's a gendered difference after applying the "is an engineer" filter.

...No it doesn't. That's just something you're adding to preserve the distinction.

>Like, male and female high jumpers that make it over a certain height of bar are approximately as good at jumping. There's more men in that category. This all might be playing semantics, but I think there's a real thing here to disentangle, and it'd be nice to say one without implying the other.

Yes yes but the problem comes with Damore's reasoning for why there are more men in that category - biological determination of better programming ability.

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ThrustVectoring8y ago

>Yes yes but the problem comes with Damore's reasoning for why there are more men in that category - biological determination of better programming ability.

Whether or not the representation gap is biological is an important factual matter that should be discussed on the merits. It'd do women no good to try to get their best sprint times up to men's by fixing society to be more accepting of female sprinters. There are real biological differences between the sexes, and trying to fix downstream effects of them by making up sociological causes and attacking them is very quixotic.

frgtpsswrdlameOP8y ago

You think sociological explanations for why women are under-represented in tech are made up?

ThrustVectoring8y ago

I didn't say that, and I don't have an opinion on that. I used sprinting as an example for a reason; the reason why women are under-represented among top sprint times is clearly biological, and I was hoping to point at the impossibility of fixing it through changing the sociological structure of track-and-field to be more accepting to women.

I think a sociological explanation for any biological phenomena has to be made up. This is why we need to have an honest discussion about the merits of biological explanations, so that we can figure out the root causes and spend our efforts effectively.

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0 pointsfrgtpsswrdlame8y ago0 comments

>Yeah, there is. "Women are worse" implies that there's a gendered difference after applying the "is an engineer" filter.

...No it doesn't. That's just something you're adding to preserve the distinction.

Yes yes but the problem comes with Damore's reasoning for why there are more men in that category - biological determination of better programming ability.

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ThrustVectoring8y ago

>Yes yes but the problem comes with Damore's reasoning for why there are more men in that category - biological determination of better programming ability.

frgtpsswrdlameOP8y ago

You think sociological explanations for why women are under-represented in tech are made up?

ThrustVectoring8y ago

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