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0 pointsjacquesm8y ago0 comments

> (i.e., conservatives)

That's a bit of a short-cut there, it's not just conservatives that do this.

Also, keep in mind that the web (not the internet) was created with a completely different goal in mind, to connect organizations and individuals in a relatively friendly setting.

The potential for hostile applications wasn't even on the radar back then and if it had been I'm pretty sure some of the foundation stones would have been laid differently.

So now you get this weird mix of open societies connected in a very open fashion to outright dictatorships with the additional asymmetries of English being a pre-requisite for trade all over the world and thus a ready and cheap to deploy workforce aided by bots to sow dissention and to drive a wedge between folks in the remainder of the world.

What is sad - and that's why I picked out that fragment - is that once the ball is rolling we will then happily take over beating on that wedge.

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avs7338y ago

agreed, and to an extent apologies for the cheapshot, but there is an underlying and important point.

Conservative ideology (holding 'traditional' values and being resistant to change) is ideologically rooted in a non-critical conflation of societal normativity and one's own subjective reality with a shared objective reality. It doesn't mean they uniquely suffer from this problem but it does make them much more susceptible to it. It also makes them, as a group, less prepared to counter it.

Its the same reason the Nazi's were so much more effective than Occupy wall street. In the later, internal dialogues and disagreement is tolerated and even valued to a much larger extent. In the former, its seen as lacking in purity and results in compliance, departure, or expulsion.

jacquesmOP8y ago

> ts the same reason the Nazi's were so much more effective than Occupy wall street. In the later, internal dialogues and disagreement is tolerated and even valued to a much larger extent. In the former, its seen as lacking in purity and results in compliance, departure, or expulsion.

There's a link to 'nice people finish last' in there somewhere.

avs7338y ago

There is a reason I avoided the value judgement and stuck specifically to the culture of shared cognition.

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0 pointsjacquesm8y ago0 comments

> (i.e., conservatives)

That's a bit of a short-cut there, it's not just conservatives that do this.

Also, keep in mind that the web (not the internet) was created with a completely different goal in mind, to connect organizations and individuals in a relatively friendly setting.

The potential for hostile applications wasn't even on the radar back then and if it had been I'm pretty sure some of the foundation stones would have been laid differently.

What is sad - and that's why I picked out that fragment - is that once the ball is rolling we will then happily take over beating on that wedge.

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avs7338y ago

agreed, and to an extent apologies for the cheapshot, but there is an underlying and important point.

jacquesmOP8y ago

There's a link to 'nice people finish last' in there somewhere.

avs7338y ago

There is a reason I avoided the value judgement and stuck specifically to the culture of shared cognition.

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