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0 pointskomali28y ago0 comments

Propaganda mostly from the Republican party has convinced a great deal of people that Education is a waste of money. This is obviously stupid and false.

Apologies for getting political, but I come from a family of teachers in two red states (actually three now, thanks Wisconsin, you do love to hate yourself), and we're out of fucks to give.

EDIT: I know we don't like to get political here, but the question was "Why is America bad at education compared to other countries." First of all, it is bad, and it spends more than other countries, somehow. Makes sense when half the country has put their feet down stubbornly into the stand and said "pull yourself up by your bootstraps!" Or some nonsense.

Here's a great analysis of the Republican platform vis a vis education: https://www.politico.com/tipsheets/morning-education/2016/07...

Inevitable disclaimer: obviously not all republicans are opposed to effective, common sense education, and obviously not all democrats support it. But uh... compare the platforms.

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dmix8y ago

> Propaganda mostly from the Republican party has convinced a great deal of people that Education is a waste of money.

That's a misrepresentation. Plenty of them some care very much about fixing education and funding it. Just the kind the find most effective:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0Zh96wc01k

The difference, as the video mentions, is that they always gets attacked as being 'anti-education', depsite intentions and data supporting their efforts, largely by the heavily entrenched people and organizations who have most to gain from keeping the same status-quo systems. Ie, the massive top-heavy administration that controls pubic education, unions, pension funds, etc. They have plenty of political pull.

Ultimately that is very much equally propaganda, is it not?

The right also tends support more state financing and control of education, and funding towards education has increased dramatic in states for decades. The only thing that has stagnated (but hardly declined) is federal spending:

https://www.usgovernmentspending.com/education_spending

And percentage of GDP spending for education has hardly dipped under republicans either:

https://www.usgovernmentspending.com/education_chart_20.html

Words are always valued over actions and the ideology of a few extremists always seem to always take precedence over data and tangible outcomes. Which is why I hate debating this subject.

Angostura8y ago

> The difference, as the video mentions, is that they always gets attacked as being 'anti-education'

That would be partly because it is true http://www.people-press.org/2017/07/10/sharp-partisan-divisi... ('Republicans increasingly say colleges have negative impact on U.S.')

And its not helped by the fact that much of the GOP is apparent anti-science, and anti expertise https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/american-trust-scient... ('A 54 percent majority of Democrats, compared with just 13 percent of Republicans, say they have “a lot” of trust that what scientists say is accurate and reliable.')

dmix8y ago

Got any more Huffington Post "web based surveys" to educate me on the merits of conservative ideology? That was so enthralling...

I find it hilarious how often US Democrats want to use the lowest common denominator, with their half-baked grasp of politics, economics, science, history, etc, to define their party's credibility (and to be clear I'm far from either American democrat or republican). As if the intelligence of the entire voting base (or whom either group decided to convince to vote for them) defines the merits of the ideology behind 0.0001% of the population who reside in congress, senate, and the white house.

Personally I'd rather seek out the intellectuals from either side (for ex: [1]), but also ideas from outside the two main left/right groups, and also from historical ideologies... and then decide what is best for society from that. And from there try to influence particular parties to adhere to the most rational and ideal ideas.

If /r/politics is any indication, the more people you have the dumber the conversations gets. It went from "somewhat annoying political tribalism" on Reddit to completely unbearable inane echo-chamber debates as it scaled up to millions of people. And these same people STILL think they are superior to 24/7 news media talking heads, which is the channel which most influences the wider population.

Is this the means from which we should determine the merits of particular political ideologies?

But by all means, let the opinions of the lowest common denominator, web surveys, and shamelessly biased 'news' websites like Huffington Post be your guiding voice on what's best. I'd personally rather not...

[1] https://www.amazon.com/Fools-Frauds-Firebrands-Thinkers-Left...

Angostura8y ago

Well that was a bit ranty and doesn’t really address the issue. If you don’t like YouGov, would you prefer https://scholars.unh.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1251&co...

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dmix8y ago

> Propaganda mostly from the Republican party has convinced a great deal of people that Education is a waste of money.

That's a misrepresentation. Plenty of them some care very much about fixing education and funding it. Just the kind the find most effective:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0Zh96wc01k

Ultimately that is very much equally propaganda, is it not?

https://www.usgovernmentspending.com/education_spending

And percentage of GDP spending for education has hardly dipped under republicans either:

https://www.usgovernmentspending.com/education_chart_20.html

Words are always valued over actions and the ideology of a few extremists always seem to always take precedence over data and tangible outcomes. Which is why I hate debating this subject.

Angostura8y ago

> The difference, as the video mentions, is that they always gets attacked as being 'anti-education'

That would be partly because it is true http://www.people-press.org/2017/07/10/sharp-partisan-divisi... ('Republicans increasingly say colleges have negative impact on U.S.')

dmix8y ago

Got any more Huffington Post "web based surveys" to educate me on the merits of conservative ideology? That was so enthralling...

Is this the means from which we should determine the merits of particular political ideologies?

[1] https://www.amazon.com/Fools-Frauds-Firebrands-Thinkers-Left...

Angostura8y ago

Well that was a bit ranty and doesn’t really address the issue. If you don’t like YouGov, would you prefer https://scholars.unh.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1251&co...

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