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0 pointskyriakos7y ago0 comments

Not everyone has the skills to run their own business. Some people prefer to be part of a team and not at the top of the pyramid. They get satisfaction by contributing.

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emodendroket7y ago

I'd say that, in the professional world, most want to be part of a team because they want to trade the upside potential for stability and shorter, more predictable hours and a smaller, more defined scope of responsibility. You can't expect "change the world" passion from these people when they've traded that away as part of the bargain.

osrec7y ago

I think a lot of people prefer to be part of a team as it helps spread the responsibility (and more importantly, blame) around. I've worked a few "high powered" corporate jobs, and most so-called team-players at that level are really just team-blamers, yet conniving enough to single-handedly take credit for anything good that happens, while still appearing humble. It's pretty much why I quit and started my own firm. I like having the responsibility on my shoulders and enjoy putting my neck on the line. When I get something wrong, I'm only answerable to me (rather than be reprimanded by some know-it-all boss), and I can pick myself up quickly, reaim and try again. It's a less stressful experience with better results. For my staff, we discuss things, but I will never ever talk down to them or reprimand them like kids. If I do, I bet they'll just leave as soon as they can, as I did.

AFNobody7y ago

> Not everyone has the skills to run their own business. Some people prefer to be part of a team and not at the top of the pyramid. They get satisfaction by contributing.

Working 60+ hour weeks for a paycheck that can get gotten elsewhere provides no one with satisfaction. Anyone who rides programmers that hard will find the programmer firing his manager.

Almost none of the people that push you to do that are worth working for. Even a startup that provides RSUS.

If you want what the OP wants in an employee, you need to pay a minimum of a 30% premium over what they can get elsewhere.

bitL7y ago

It's in their best interest to acquire those skills, or keep being taken advantage of. A binary choice - that's the world we are living in right now.

skj7y ago

> or keep being taken advantage of

Presumably they're getting paid for their work.

john_moscow7y ago

Yes and no. Although you are getting your paycheck, it's extremely demotivating be the only person in a team who gives a damn about getting things done. It gets more demotivating with passive aggression from your coworkers that are afraid that your performance raises the bar for everyone. It gets even more demotivating to see others promoted behind your back because they were going to the bar with the boss while you were figuring out how to deliver that critical thing to the customers.

I have personally been in those shoes and had to learn the business skills the hard way. And I don't think I had any other choice aside from giving up and becoming just another employee who doesn't care.

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bitL7y ago

OK, you get paid but you have to slow down, play politics, form your/join a clique, because otherwise you become hated by all your colleagues for casting a shadow on them, then be driven slowly out of the company by hiding information from you and spreading rumors about you. In other words, you are wasting the most precious thing you have - time, where you could perform much much better, for some "standard salary". Is that a good bargain?

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chc7y ago

That doesn't really make any difference. Literal indentured servants got paid for their work.

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kyriakosOP7y ago

and paid well "enough"

sametmax7y ago

This assumes there is now way to find a company that fairly reward the effort you make, at least according to what you are content with.

s73v3r_7y ago

Uh, no. I have no desire to start my own business, mainly because I value my off work time.

bitL7y ago

Automated business can give you way more off work time than you can imagine... I used to work 5 minutes/day running automated e-commerce.

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emodendroket7y ago

osrec7y ago

AFNobody7y ago

> Not everyone has the skills to run their own business. Some people prefer to be part of a team and not at the top of the pyramid. They get satisfaction by contributing.

Working 60+ hour weeks for a paycheck that can get gotten elsewhere provides no one with satisfaction. Anyone who rides programmers that hard will find the programmer firing his manager.

Almost none of the people that push you to do that are worth working for. Even a startup that provides RSUS.

If you want what the OP wants in an employee, you need to pay a minimum of a 30% premium over what they can get elsewhere.

bitL7y ago

It's in their best interest to acquire those skills, or keep being taken advantage of. A binary choice - that's the world we are living in right now.

skj7y ago

> or keep being taken advantage of

Presumably they're getting paid for their work.

john_moscow7y ago

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bitL7y ago

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chc7y ago

That doesn't really make any difference. Literal indentured servants got paid for their work.

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kyriakosOP7y ago

and paid well "enough"

sametmax7y ago

This assumes there is now way to find a company that fairly reward the effort you make, at least according to what you are content with.

s73v3r_7y ago

Uh, no. I have no desire to start my own business, mainly because I value my off work time.

bitL7y ago

Automated business can give you way more off work time than you can imagine... I used to work 5 minutes/day running automated e-commerce.

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