Sorry if I was being needlessly provocative.
> that Ukraine was some sort of turning point.
I would argue that it is, that history books paint that as a turning point, of America turning away from the world stage should the trend continue.
After all, it wasn't that long ago the US (via NATO) was involving itself in peace keeping missions in Eastern Europe.
Of course this is contrasted with the rise of JSOC and drone missions (and our forever war in the Middle East), so perhaps not a full turn-away but a shift to a more muted, discrete influence? The US no longer overtly "going to bat" for "Democracy".
> I just thought you were still taking about Ukraine there, since the whole point of your comment
The point was more so that to provide a counter-point to the groby comment that the current administration marks the turning point away from the world stage, policing and protection, etc. We've arguably done that for most of this decade.
