It's been years since I've looked at the PC ecosystem and I frankly it scares me. I have no idea what's a marker of quality and what I can trust.
What are good linux laptops for 2018?
Good points:
- Strong hardware
- Looks nice
Bad points:
- M2 SSD requires changing some BIOS preferences to work on Linux
- Nvidia graphics card is a pain on Ubuntu. Do a Google search for nouveau.modeset
- The fans are on most of the time, even during idle. The machine isn't hot either - it just likes to run the fans
- The 1920x1080 screen isn't that great and a "4K" option is quite expensive
- The carbon-fibre looking plastic looks cheap and is a magnet for finger prints. It does not look good and is difficult to clean
- It's not a great machine to move about with. Mine weighs almost 2KG
- No Ethernet port unlike a T470. You need a USB adapter
> - M2 SSD requires changing some BIOS preferences to work on Linux
No BIOS fiddling, except for disabling Thunderbolt security for docking station to work (external monitor, network card, USB ports including keyboard, second sound card (though no volume control here)). But this is because Linux kernel doesn't support it yet.
Or maybe I did change its "RAID" to something that's not a lie, I don't really remember.
> - Nvidia graphics card is a pain on Ubuntu. Do a Google search for nouveau.modeset
Mine has Intel. I had no problems with running it.
> - The fans are on most of the time, even during idle. The machine isn't hot either - it just likes to run the fans
Quiet most of the time.
> - The 1920x1080 screen isn't that great and a "4K" option is quite expensive
1920x1080 gives way too small bitmap fonts on a 14" screen. I'd rather have 1280x800 or similar, but nobody ships that resolution anymore.
> - The carbon-fibre looking plastic looks cheap and is a magnet for finger prints. It does not look good and is difficult to clean
The plastic seems OK, but maybe I don't know what to look at.
> - It's not a great machine to move about with. Mine weighs almost 2KG
1.5kg
> - No Ethernet port unlike a T470. You need a USB adapter
Ethernet port present.
> M2 SSD requires changing some BIOS preferences to work on Linux
I never had to do this. That is weird.
> Nvidia graphics card is a pain on Ubuntu. Do a Google search for nouveau.modeset
This is true but it affects all computers Ubuntu with NVIDIA and Intel integrated graphics and is not unique to Dell laptops. This screws up our desktops at work that have integrated graphics.
> The fans are on most of the time, even during idle. The machine isn't hot either - it just likes to run the fans
I think you do not have the power mode drivers setup properly. Mine doesn't do that.
> No Ethernet port unlike a T470. You need a USB adapter
I use a USB-C docking station at my desks. Once you get a docking station that connects everything, including power via a single small USB-C you never go back. You just need a dongle when traveling.
Which dock do you use?
The 15 I have has two fans: one I presume for the CPU and another for the Nvidia GPU (which I don't use). However, once both have started neither shut off until the machine is suspended. There is a suggestion that this is due to a firmware bug related to suspend/wake and it doesn't happen from cold boot. I haven't tested it out, will give it a go next week.
I've also been used to MacBooks and so the XPS does fall short somewhat in comparison - minor flexing and creaking and much less heat dissipated via the chassis (plastic vs aluminium). I have an Intel i7 in the XPS that appears to consume quite a lot of power. I'd much rather change it for a less powerful, more frugal i5 but alas it is too late.
Thermals are shit. Even after a repaste, throttles a lot. Many people at my work have had hardware issues. My batteries are clean dead after a year of use.
Windows 10 Pro Edition comes with WSL, a Linux subsystem which is pretty decent for my deep learning implementation and small scale test. With Xming, I can do some visualization as well. There will be downsides. If you get a laptop that just comes with Ubuntu or any Linux distro, you are good to go.
If your development is cloud based, Google is push Chrome OS into a Linux friendly direction. Chromebooks are pretty good choices, price-wise, functionality-wise and portability-wise, you name it. At the time of writing (July 20s, 2018), Pixelbook and a few more Chromebooks receive the support of Linux container. More will be supported.
ChromeOS supports Linux via a custom container or VM. So you have access to all ChromeOS APIs. I assume virtualized graphics hardware will be accessible as well. Android Studio with device debugging bridge should also be available shortly. As will the ability to run most apk binaries.
Main concern is probably in choosing a 64-bit ARM based laptop. Such as the hexacore Samsung model. Eventually I can foresee running into a portability issue. Perhaps with a library dependency. Or digital content creation tools such as Blender or Adobe. Will always have a cloud instance or backup gaming laptop running Win10 to fall back on. But for mobile development and meetings in cafes, I think it will prove ideal.
https://reprep.io/writings/20180621_lenovo_t480_linux_review...
I ended up installing NVidia's proprietary driver which let me disable the MX150 and use the Intel video card instead. Machine seems to run a little cooler since.
I was pleasantly surprised that Ubuntu auto detected my network printer. It also played nice the first time I plugged into the RJ45 port.
I'm still underwhelmed by the audio quality of the built-in speakers. It's sufficient for video conferencing, but it's a little sad when playing music.
Another minor annoyance is that when restoring from suspend, the laptop briefly flashes the previous desktop before showing the lock screen.
I am mostly happy with it - superfast, great screen. The two problems I had were when installing the Nvidia drivers, plus the fans stay on more than I think they should.
Rather than waste hours trying to solve these, I have decided to wait patiently and see what the community and Nvidia come up with.
Would I recommend others to buy one? Yes, though perhaps wait a while if any of your key requirements are not yet fully supported.
1. The webcam placement is terrible. If I'm taking notes during a call, everyone else gets a great shot of my fingernails.
2. I have to carry dongles for Ethernet and HDMI.
It is thin, light, long battery and I feel like I am not making any performance sacrifices.
That's my home machine. At work I have a 2015 MacBookPro. Comparing the two the only downside of the System76 is a trackpad about 70% as good and heat management design isn't so great so the fan spins up more and louder. (and the fat bezel around the screen, but whatever, the pixels that are there are good)
* great keyboard
* kind of shit trackpad
* trackpoint is pretty nice at least
* hidpi is a pain in the ass to set up
..* looks great once you get it working
..* some apps like Zoom refuse to scale up, so the buttons are tiny
* light weight
* really long battery
Relevant, recent discussion on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17547817
edit: good stuff, it works!
Overall, a really nice laptop (except wtf is that terrible trackpad doing in there?). Didn't find any compatibility problems except the fingerprint scanner. But I didn't try very hard.
`xinput list` gave me my trackpoint device's name. Mine is "TPPS/2 Elan TrackPoint"
`xinput list-props "TPPS/2 Elan TrackPoint"` gives a list of properties you can change.
"libinput Accel Speed (302):" looked promising, so I changed it via:
`xinput set-prop "TPPS/2 Elan TrackPoint" 302 0.2` where 302 is the code given in parentheses above, and 0.2 is the speed.
Cracking little machine for massively less than an Apple machine with a faster processor and until recently twice the max RAM the 'Pro' could have.
System76 is also one of the only companies that sells machines that is committed to Open source, linux and hardware. They recently released their own Linux distro Pop_OS!. Its a really well put together Ubuntu based distro. Great design and continuity.
They recently opened a factory and are designing and building their machines in house. You get lifetime support.
I don’t work for them but I really can’t say enough nice things about them.
They are worth a look.
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The keyboard is the best, the trackpad is ok but far away from macs, the battery life is meh but good enough with an extended battery.
But what I value most is: it's a sturdy thing. You will not break it as easily as other laptops. It will not get hot and burn your legs. Most models can be opened, cleaned and upgraded. Depends on the Model, but you can get ALL the ports you need! And, AND the freaking docking station. I have one at home and one at work and I just put the Laptop in the Docking station and I get all the ergonomics of a desktop Computer (because of external screen and so on). It's true, they are not what IBM used to build. But as I said IMO still the best for people who want to get stuff done and value hipness very little.
XPS are cool and all but for me it's more for people who value the hip parts of a mac, like shiny and cool, but fundamentally they only got the better looks.
A year ago I tried setting up a vanilla XPS-15, wiping the Windows install and doing my own Ubuntu setup, and gave up hope after a couple of weeks that I'd be able to make the trackpad not suck, or for sleep to not screw the system to the point that it was easier just to shut the machine down every time instead of sleeping. That machine was also fairly heavy (normally I don't care much about that, but it was definitely noticeable).
http://www.pixelmonkey.org/2017/09/01/lenovo-linux
Hope it helps.
They are suprisingly well supported on linux, in addition to being very good all-around ultraportable at a small price.
What tipped me over the edge is the repairability and modifiability of the laptops. After an ASUS laptop broke and I was only able to fix it because some random eBayer was selling a working keyboard, I swore off non-business laptops. There's a whole community of people who do nothing but mod Thinkpads, and companies that just refurbish ones (which have often been sitting in some office somewhere and are in great condition). Linux runs fantastically on it as well.
As for the trackpad...well, it's not great, but I use the trackpoint which I've always preferred. The keyboard on the other hand is amazing.
The setup itself involved a lot of gotchas, I wrote a post about it: https://medium.com/@bigilui/installing-antergos-linux-on-a-l... Hope it helps if you decide to do it.
- Battery is fine
- Weight is fine
- Dimensions are fine
- You can add a ram stick for 24GB total (8GB is soldered on).
- Thunderbolt
- Fan management is fine.
- Thermals are almost fine.
- Exception: The speakers are embarrassingly bad.
For context, I came from a Macbook Air 13.
What I like: 32GB RAM option. No dedicated GPU. Good trackpoint and great keyboard. Arch runs like a charm.
Note regarding the batteries: Internal and external battery, both easy to exchange. It however drains the most healthy battery first (down to 5%) before it starts draining the second one. I'd rather have it always drain the external battery first since that one is easier to replace.
I have a very minor cosmetic defect from manufacturing, but HP is allowing me to send it off for repair or get a complete replacement. I choose a repair since it can be done in under a week compared to 2-3 weeks lead time on a replacement.
But the best idea probably is to just get what your friends/coworkers are using :)
I imagine the other models are also pretty good.