Price $45,000
Incentives: -$7,500
Gasoline savings: -$4,300
Price after savings: $33,200
Destination & doc fee: $1,200
It's rather disappointing that for all the talk from Tesla about disrupting the way people buy cars they maintain nonsense practices like adding on destination and doc fees, and add new ones like working gasoline savings into the displayed price.
Perhaps if they want to advertise gas savings they should be forced to also add "increased home electricity costs".
"The average person drives between 10,000 and 15,000 miles and spends between $1,000 and $1,500 on gasoline per year. In comparison, the cost of electricity to power Model 3 over the same distance is up to three times lower. Over the six year average length of car ownership, that's between $4,300 and $6,400 in gasoline savings.
We've assumed a fuel economy of 28 miles per gallon for a comparable gasoline powered sedan, for example, the 2017 BMW 3 series. We've also assumed the national average of $0.13 per kilowatt-hour for electricity and $2.85 per gallon for premium gasoline over the next six years."
I guess bottled water then should be considered free since it's significantly healthier than drinking any else.
Or maybe my laptop should be considered free since it's used to earn money.
[1]: http://fortune.com/2018/10/12/tax-credit-tesla-deadline/
[1] https://www.kbb.com/car-advice/articles/destination-charges/
Because they aren't comparing to the TCO of other automobiles, they have to adjust the sticker price to help buyers consider the TCO.
Did Toyota include TCO in their hybrid car pricing given that it also reduces gas consumption? No.
Did Rolex include TCO in their watch pricing given that the resale value doesn't significantly depreciate ? No.
Nobody does this because it's intentionally deceptive.
I suspect they're finding the shipped hardware isn't enough to accomplish what they want with the necessary reliability. Elon has already hinted that shipped 3's will need a computer upgrade to support full self-driving. They are probably wisely backing off on guaranteeing full self-driving on hardware that hasn't been proven to succeed to specification.
Total speculation, but I'd bet a chocolate chip cookie that they'll find they need to make changes to the sensor array as well. (If I were designing this from scratch, I'd want a wide stereoscopic baseline between cameras for optical ranging. They have multiple cameras, but they are narrowly spaced, and may have fields of view that differ too much for stereoscopic fusion. I'd aim for "larger number of shittier/cheaper cameras.")
It's still available for the Model X and Model S. The disclosure when you pay for it is very clear. They are not acting sketchy when they sell it to you. I'd guess it has more to do with not enough people ordering it, so removing the option streamlines fulfillment.
> I suspect they're finding the shipped hardware isn't enough to accomplish what they want with the necessary reliability.
Yeah they already admitted to this. Anyone who has paid for full self driving is getting a Hardware 3.0 (HW3) upgrade for free. They said full self driving will require HW3.
> Total speculation, but I'd bet a chocolate chip cookie that they'll find they need to make changes to the sensor array as well.
Yeah, as an owner I'm pretty worried that will be the case but I guess we will see. I doubt they will admit to this publicly though - they seem adamant that the sensors today should be sufficient.
White paint is now $2k instead of $1500
White interior is now $1k instead of $1500
> Incentives - $10,000
> Gas Savings- $4,300
> Price after Est. Savings $30,700
This is good news, but it's still not the $35,000 model.
Also, what's the breakdown on the incentives? I thought the federal rebate was $7500 if they haven't run out of those yet. Are they including state rebates (which presumably aren't the same everywhere)?
Including "gas savings" in the price seems more than a little disingenuous.
Agree about the gas savings. That's totally low.
I assume the 35000 model is the "Standard Battery available in 4-6 months" that's below the options.
- Long range single motor: $49,000
- Long range dual motor: $54,000
- Long range performance: $64,000
Now it's:
- Mid range single motor: $45,000
- Long range dual motor: $54,000
- Long range performance: $64,000
So it looks like a savings of $4,000 off the older long range single motor.
With this change, they have now essentially replaced that model with one that has 50 mile less range.
Now the long range version looks so much less appealing as the price is now over $60k($5,000 more for entry LR) for an AWD upgrade I have absolute no use for.
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If someone approached me and offered to trade their mid-range + $3,500 for my long-range, I'd happily take that deal.
Long Range > Mid Range > Standard
Tesla's specific battery chemistry uses significantly less cobalt than the other common vehicle batteries
I might have to test drive one soon. My wife is strongly disapproving me getting a Roadster in a few years. If I find that 0-60 in 3.3 seconds is enough, I might settle for a Model 3.
EDIT: They also removed the option to purchase full self-driving. Interesting...
I test drove a 90D and the acceleration off the line is heart-stopping. And that is listed at 4.7s.
I'm worried that getting a car that does 0-60 in 3.3 would actually feel somewhat underwhelming considering that I'm, I guess "calibrated", for something quicker. Maybe I'd feel different though when I'm in control with the power at my command.
I'll probably test drive a Model 3 next year.
EDIT: $40k price since it seems that there will be a smaller battery than this. Seems like a good way to make more money when people wanting the smaller range battery get tired of waiting.
From Jan 1 to Jun 30, it'll be $41240 and from Jul 1 to Dec 31 2019, it'll be $43125. As of Jan 1 2020, there'll be no more federal tax credit and the car will be full price at $45000.