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0 pointswolfgke7y ago0 comments

> That said, I've always seen the original Xbox as the spiritual successor to the Dreamcast.

In what sense? The architecture between these two consoles is IMHO quite different.

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Sega started porting many of their new arcade games to the Xbox. Consequently former Dreamcast users who wanted to play the new arcade games at home bought the Xbox.

DCKing7y ago

A Sega exec tried to push Microsoft to make the Xbox backwards compatible with the Dreamcast even [1], which Microsoft refused mostly because they didn't want to support online infrastructure for titles that used it. The original Xbox seemed to have been considered to be the favored successor to the Dreamcast by Sega at least at one point.

Then again, Sega's main initial portwork was focused on the GameCube. The Dreamcast games Sonic Adventure 2, Ikaruga, Crazy Taxi, Phantasy Star Online and Skies of Arcadia were ported to the GameCube and not to the Xbox. They also brought originally-for-Dreamcast titles Super Monkey Ball, Beach Spikers and Billy Hatcher and the Giant Egg to the GameCube exclusively.

[1]: https://kotaku.com/how-xbox-could-have-helped-the-dreamcast-...

oarsinsync7y ago

> They also brought originally-for-Dreamcast titles Super Monkey Ball ... to the GameCube exclusively

Super Monkey Ball was on the Xbox too. I was very happy when I discovered that, and even more so when it was playable on the X360.

atVelocet7y ago

But it really was. Sega and Microsoft worked closely together or why do you think they implented the Windows CE option? Also all Sega arcades afterwards shipped with Xbox hardware.

wolfgkeOP7y ago

Windows CE was ported to a lot of processor architectures at that time. Its architecture is quite different from the Windows NT line. To quote Wikipedia on this

> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Windows_Embedded_...

"Unlike Windows Embedded Standard, which is based on Windows NT, Windows Embedded Compact uses a different hybrid kernel."

I am also pretty sure that Windows CE's architecture is quite different from the OS running on the XBox, but cannot give a quotable source on this. At least for the Xbox 360 and XBox One, I am pretty sure that I have read that their kernel is actually not so dissimilar from the kernel used in the NT line. The difference between the Windows NT line and the XBox 360/One OS rather lies in the software running above the kernel.

monocasa7y ago

You can quote me, as I've gotten down and dirty with the Xbox ( https://github.com/monocasa/xbvm ), and have written board support packages for CE for work.

The OG Xbox kernel is an extremely heavily stripped down and modified Win2k kernel. No support for user mode, multiple address spaces, or more than one running process. No win32 in the kernel. USB, sound, and the vast majority of the graphics driver are statically linked into the process executable.

tangue7y ago

Windows CE was loaded from the disks and was an option for developers. The dreamcast had another os which were more close to the naomi arcade machine

naraic0o7y ago

The article claims that the hardware contained no "OS" and that all discs were self-contained full-linked OSes.

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amyjess7y ago

Take a close look at the controllers. The similarities are eerie.

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