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0 pointsgeezerjay6y ago0 comments

> So instead of trying to figure out which one of the dozens of GUI frameworks to use in making a window and have it change colour, you just write it using the standard library.

Congrats, now you're stuck with something like Xwindows or MFC or AWT.

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daemin6y ago

They're standard for the OS but not a standard for the programming language library.

Granted AWT wasn't great but you could still make a GUI with it straight out of the box. It allowed you to make windows and buttons and start exploring the programming language.

Like I said having a standard library option won't eliminate third party libraries, it will just provide something in the box for people to start using straight away.

pjmlp6y ago

Which while not ideal, are guaranteed to be present, contrary to third party libs.

geezerjayOP6y ago

That assertion is disingenuous at best.

That guarantee is only achievable at the expense of forcing compiler developers to maintain a GUI toolkig for all platforms. Who in their right mind believes that's reasonable or desirable?

pjmlp6y ago

Everyone that wants a language to thrive instead of dealing with thousand incompatible implementations.

Many C++ targets don't support IO or networking, so lets not burden embedded compiler developers with standard library bloat.

daemin6y ago

So instead of a GUI library what about a HTTP or a network library as part of the standard? Surely handling TCP and UDP connections is an order of magnitude easier to implement and maintain.

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daemin6y ago

They're standard for the OS but not a standard for the programming language library.

Granted AWT wasn't great but you could still make a GUI with it straight out of the box. It allowed you to make windows and buttons and start exploring the programming language.

Like I said having a standard library option won't eliminate third party libraries, it will just provide something in the box for people to start using straight away.

pjmlp6y ago

Which while not ideal, are guaranteed to be present, contrary to third party libs.

geezerjayOP6y ago

That assertion is disingenuous at best.

That guarantee is only achievable at the expense of forcing compiler developers to maintain a GUI toolkig for all platforms. Who in their right mind believes that's reasonable or desirable?

pjmlp6y ago

Everyone that wants a language to thrive instead of dealing with thousand incompatible implementations.

Many C++ targets don't support IO or networking, so lets not burden embedded compiler developers with standard library bloat.

daemin6y ago

So instead of a GUI library what about a HTTP or a network library as part of the standard? Surely handling TCP and UDP connections is an order of magnitude easier to implement and maintain.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse