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0 pointsmiles6y ago0 comments

>> Just look at how the CCP bullied international airlines about Taiwan

> Airlines only remove Taiwanese paraphernalia when flights operates in China - you know complying to domestic Chinese laws. That's completely reasonable stuff that doesn't extend beyond Chinese borders.

Three biggest US airlines bow to China Taiwan demand as deadline passes https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-44948599

Giving In to China, U.S. Airlines Drop Taiwan (in Name at Least) https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/25/business/taiwan-american-...

Airlines switching to ‘Taiwan, China’ https://www.scmp.com/news/china/policies-politics/article/21... Associated Press found 20 carriers, including Air Canada, British Airways and Lufthansa, that now refer to Taiwan, the self-ruled island that Beijing considers Chinese territory, as a part of China on their global websites.

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dirtyid6y ago

"Of course we hope that when they operate in China they respect China's laws and rules, China's sovereignty and territorial integrity and the feelings of the Chinese people."

>Three biggest US airlines bow to China Taiwan demand as deadline passes

That was interim solution, if you check AA / United / Delta, they removed references of "China" for Chinese/Taiwanese cities name altogether. Also asking companies to conform to UN recognized sovereign states as bullying is pretty silly.

inferiorhuman6y ago

Also asking companies to conform to UN recognized sovereign states as bullying is pretty silly.

Your argument appears to be "an independent body also recognizes Taiwan as part of China so airlines should do the same". Here's the problem: the United Nations did so at the behest of China and thus your argument becomes "China dictated that the United Nations recognize Taiwan as part of China and the airlines should bow to the same request." This is circular logic at best.

dirtyid6y ago

Your argument is basically that a multilaterally decided upon recognition of nations is bad because China bad.

inferiorhuman6y ago

Your argument is basically that a multilaterally decided upon recognition of nations is bad because China bad.

Which would be true if it weren't a unilateral decision. Obfuscating that through the United Nations doesn't change anything.

laughinghan6y ago

The comment you're replying to said Air Canada, British Airways, and Lufthansa. I just tried searching for a flight to Taipei in all three of them, from California, and all of their autocompletes indeed mention China.

You are also incorrect that AA / United / Delta removed references to "China" for Chinese cities. I just tried them, Beijing, Shanghai etc all continue to mention China. Only Taipei's autocomplete does not include a country name. Again, I'm in California, so this contradicts your claim that: "Airlines only remove Taiwanese paraphernalia when flights operates in China".

dirtyid6y ago

I was initially referring to the Emirates Taiwanese flag pin incident, and other cockpit paraphernalia drama from a couple years ago. Airlines had existing protocol of scrubbing physical Taiwanese references when operating (i.e. landing) in China. I wasn't of airline site scrubbing Taiwan, which again, I don't see a big deal. Making countries recognize dejure sovereignty is only "bullying" if you drank too much US koolaid. The fact that US is the holdout in including China shows whose being childish. But US circumventing UN resolutions is nothing unexpected.

laughinghan6y ago

> The fact that US is the holdout in including China shows whose being childish.

I'm trying to understand your position. Is it that having ethical reservations about UN resolutions is childish, and the mature thing is to treat UN resolutions as ethically authoritative? Is it that resistance to treating Taiwan as a Chinese possession is childish? Something else entirely?

gurkendoktor6y ago

> Making countries recognize dejure sovereignty is only "bullying" if you drank too much US koolaid. ... But US circumventing UN resolutions is nothing unexpected.

I honestly don't understand why US whataboutism comes up in every China thread. I have no relation to the US, and we hardly drink their koolaid here in Germany.

Cold hard cash already rules most of the world, including the UN (Saudi Arabia on the Human Rights Council, anyone?). That doesn't mean we have to accelerate this trend for the sake of consistency.

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dirtyid6y ago

"Of course we hope that when they operate in China they respect China's laws and rules, China's sovereignty and territorial integrity and the feelings of the Chinese people."

>Three biggest US airlines bow to China Taiwan demand as deadline passes

inferiorhuman6y ago

Also asking companies to conform to UN recognized sovereign states as bullying is pretty silly.

dirtyid6y ago

Your argument is basically that a multilaterally decided upon recognition of nations is bad because China bad.

inferiorhuman6y ago

Your argument is basically that a multilaterally decided upon recognition of nations is bad because China bad.

Which would be true if it weren't a unilateral decision. Obfuscating that through the United Nations doesn't change anything.

laughinghan6y ago

dirtyid6y ago

laughinghan6y ago

> The fact that US is the holdout in including China shows whose being childish.

gurkendoktor6y ago

> Making countries recognize dejure sovereignty is only "bullying" if you drank too much US koolaid. ... But US circumventing UN resolutions is nothing unexpected.

I honestly don't understand why US whataboutism comes up in every China thread. I have no relation to the US, and we hardly drink their koolaid here in Germany.

Cold hard cash already rules most of the world, including the UN (Saudi Arabia on the Human Rights Council, anyone?). That doesn't mean we have to accelerate this trend for the sake of consistency.

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