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0 pointsmschuster916y ago0 comments

> As soon as stormer was removed you changed from being a dumb pipe infrastructure company into one that can eject and censor at will.

You're defending the Daily Stormer, do I read that correctly?

> I look forward to an updating listing of sites that are not reachable via the cloudflare internet in various places.

Cloudflare is not "the Internet". If Stormer or 8chan get kicked off of them, you can still access them if they find an upstream provider - which Stormer managed to do and 8chan likely will, too.

> Are you guys also going to pull service for blackhat hacker forums? I've suffered from posts on those as well.

I would seriously hope that this happens rather sooner than later.

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michaelt6y ago

  You're defending the Daily Stormer,
  do I read that correctly?

No, you're reading that incorrectly.

stevenicr is referring to Cloudflare's values of "total content neutrality" [1] where they argued they were similar to a 'common carrier' and should provide services to everyone, like a phone company or mail service would.

Such values have been articulated by Cloudflare's CEO himself [2].

Hence, the DDoS protection service would protect the Taliban, child pornographers, stolen credit card sellers, DDoS-as-a-service providers and, yes, neo-nazis. So this policy had odious consequences, but was at least consistent and clearly articulated.

The new policy seems a lot less clear - drop service to neo-nazis, by all means. But why haven't they dropped the Taliban and paedophiles and DDoS providers and carders at the same time?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cloudflare&oldid=... [2] https://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-and-free-speech/

DanBC6y ago

> stevenicr is referring to Cloudflare's values of "total content neutrality" [1] where they argued they were similar to a 'common carrier' and should provide services to everyone, like a phone company or mail service would.

...in the US

All of these free speech arguments need to be really clear that they're talking about the extremist version of freedom of speech used in the US.

Other countries have postal services and phone companies that place limits on what can be sent over them.

stordoff6y ago

> You're defending the Daily Stormer, do I read that correctly?

I don't think that's a fair reading of it - he's attacking CloudFlare's decision to remove it, not defending the Daily Stormer per se (in a "I will defend to the death your right to say it" sort of way was my reading of it).

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