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0 pointsjki2756y ago0 comments

https://keypolicydata.com/government/federal-taxes-and-spend...

Again, you're arguing things that simply are not so. The state of Hawaii receives, in US Federal tax money, 1.61 for every dollar of taxes it pays.

You can't have it both ways.

Your points about native lands also do not disprove the statehood of Hawaii. There are native lands in every state in the Continental US as well.

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jacobwilliamroy6y ago

The Kuleana Lands Act of 1850 is not a racist federal entitlement program from the United States, it's an act passed by the constitutional government of the Hawaiian Kingdom. The descendants who are currently occupying these lands are arguing their territorial claims based on the fact that the Hawaiian Kingdom is the de jure governing body of the lands in question. By acknowledging the validity of the Hawaiian Kingdom's Land Commission Awards, the court is acknowledging the Hawaiian Kingdom's sovereignty over the Kuleana lands.

Kuleana lands are not "indian reservations" which exist at the whim of the federal government; they are properties awarded to private citizens of the Hawaiian Kingdom by the Kuleana Lands Act. Everything about the Kuleana lands, from the size of each parcel, to the conditions of the land awards, are matters of Hawaiian Kingdom law and are not at all dependent on any kind of racial entitlement program in the State of Hawaii or United States.

I am not sure how you mean to conflate Kuleana Lands with "native lands in every state in the Continental U.S." I am needing some elaboration.

Also, about the State of Hawaii's federal tax burden, what about it? Are you saying that it is impossible for a government to profit in Hawaii without federal money? Please interpret the data you provide.

jki275OP6y ago

You don't realize that the entirety of the United States used to be occupied by people other than the people who live here now? I have a CDIB card, my ancestors walked the trail of tears. Many injustices were done -- but you know what? They also fought for the US in WWI, WWII, and Vietnam, and I carried on their traditions -- based in our allegiance to our country -- in OSW and OEF. There are reservations in every state in the US, owned by the native tribes who still remain. That does not change the fact that the US is not going to just cease to exist and go back to a tribal plains where we run buffalo off cliffs and forage to survive.

The world now is not the world of the 1700s and the 1800s. Making up stories about why we can pretend the world is the same and the rules are the same and pretending that things that actually happened did not happen is unhealthy. It accomplishes nothing.

I would suggest you would be a whole lot happier if you found another hobby.

The data I provided shows that Hawaii is a net taker of federal funds -- they receive 1.61 from the federal government for every dollar they send in taxes. Pretending the state of Hawaii does not exist when it is clearly a part of the US based on taxes paid and welfare received is simply an untenable position.

I'm done here.

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