I just interviewed at a small startup, but one that has real customers and hasn't needed to raise VC money. Some customers them millions to develop their platform features, others pay them just to use the platform as it is.
No thrashing around for product-market fit, changing goals every week.
Everyone I talked to seemed so... calm. It was surreal. At my current startup job people seem to take a weird sort of pride in how frazzled and overwhelmed they are.