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0 pointsxedeon6y ago0 comments

Take a step back and listen to yourself.

> No one else will adopt Tesla's standard.

Why won't they? They don't have to pay any licensing fees and would save $$ on R&D.

> CCS charging providers allow Teslas to charge on their networks today.

Because Tesla have chosen to adapt it or at least provide Tesla owners an adaptor for CCS/ChadeMo. Why can't others do the same for the SuperCharger network? Give me a good reason why.

> When will Tesla reciprocate and convert to CCS?

Let me just phone a Tesla VP and ask. /s Are you seriously asking this?

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manigandham6y ago

All manufacturers should converge, and the most common standard now is CCS so logically and practically that's what should be used.

It's fine for Tesla's to use adapters, but it would be better to just accept the reality that the timing didn't work out and join the group rather than waiting for the group to change (which at this point won't ever happen).

clouddrover6y ago

> Why won't they?

Because they've standardized on CCS. Tesla tried to set a standard and it failed. It's time to switch to the standard.

The European Tesla Model 3 comes with a CCS type 2 combo port, so there's no technical impediment to implementing CCS.

> Why can't others do the same for the SuperCharger network?

More adapters we don't need. Everyone else is CCS, why isn't Tesla? Why should everyone manufacture and carry around adapters when it's much easier for Tesla to just switch its superchargers to CCS.

> Are you seriously asking this?

Yes. If Tesla genuinely wants to "accelerate the advent of sustainable transport" then it's time to get onboard with a common charging standard.

xedeonOP6y ago

> More adapters we don't need. Everyone else is CCS, why isn't Tesla? Why should everyone manufacture and carry around adapters when it's much easier for Tesla to just switch its superchargers to CCS.

In EU maybe. Tesla Superchargers are more prevalent in the North America. The real reason nobody wanted to adopt the Tesla network is because CCS is a standard created by competitors (Audi, BMW, Daimler, Ford, General Motors, Porsche and Volkswagen) its bad optics for them if they do.

Also, have you experienced charging on a Tesla Supercharger compared to CCS stations? It's a night and day difference... No sane person would choose CCS:

Tesla: I just tap my charge port to open it and plug the connector. DONE. My credit card that's linked to my account is billed.

CCS: Take out my wallet, use a card or RFID, decipher the menu, press some buttons and only then can I start charging.

If you need instructions like the picture below, you already failed in usability:

https://www.mynrma.com.au/-/media/electric-cars/details.png

clouddrover6y ago

> CCS is a standard created by competitors (Audi, BMW, Daimler, Ford, General Motors, Porsche and Volkswagen)

Add Hyundai to the list: https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/hyundai-kia-ionity-electr...

The reasons for CCS are irrelevant. The practical reality is CCS is the standard now. It's time for Tesla to get in the boat and row.

> Tesla: I just tap my charge port to open it and plug the connector. DONE. My credit card that's linked to my account is billed.

The Mercedes Me account works the same way across CCS charging networks for the Mercedes EQC.

Electrify America, ChargePoint, and EVgo have roaming agreements to allow the one account to be billed across all networks: https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/evgo-electrify-america-ch...

When will Tesla start being a team player?

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manigandham6y ago

All manufacturers should converge, and the most common standard now is CCS so logically and practically that's what should be used.

clouddrover6y ago

> Why won't they?

Because they've standardized on CCS. Tesla tried to set a standard and it failed. It's time to switch to the standard.

The European Tesla Model 3 comes with a CCS type 2 combo port, so there's no technical impediment to implementing CCS.

> Why can't others do the same for the SuperCharger network?

More adapters we don't need. Everyone else is CCS, why isn't Tesla? Why should everyone manufacture and carry around adapters when it's much easier for Tesla to just switch its superchargers to CCS.

> Are you seriously asking this?

Yes. If Tesla genuinely wants to "accelerate the advent of sustainable transport" then it's time to get onboard with a common charging standard.

xedeonOP6y ago

Also, have you experienced charging on a Tesla Supercharger compared to CCS stations? It's a night and day difference... No sane person would choose CCS:

Tesla: I just tap my charge port to open it and plug the connector. DONE. My credit card that's linked to my account is billed.

CCS: Take out my wallet, use a card or RFID, decipher the menu, press some buttons and only then can I start charging.

If you need instructions like the picture below, you already failed in usability:

https://www.mynrma.com.au/-/media/electric-cars/details.png

clouddrover6y ago

> CCS is a standard created by competitors (Audi, BMW, Daimler, Ford, General Motors, Porsche and Volkswagen)

Add Hyundai to the list: https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/hyundai-kia-ionity-electr...

The reasons for CCS are irrelevant. The practical reality is CCS is the standard now. It's time for Tesla to get in the boat and row.

> Tesla: I just tap my charge port to open it and plug the connector. DONE. My credit card that's linked to my account is billed.

The Mercedes Me account works the same way across CCS charging networks for the Mercedes EQC.

Electrify America, ChargePoint, and EVgo have roaming agreements to allow the one account to be billed across all networks: https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/evgo-electrify-america-ch...

When will Tesla start being a team player?

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