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0 pointsdv_dt6y ago0 comments

I find it ridiculous that the payment was accepted if the requirement was that the source of payment needed to be registered and that somehow, if you had the app or phone on you, that is valid without registration of the source, but if later you're trying to avoid a fine that payment isn't valid without registration.

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nabdab6y ago

Think of it this way. If you buy a ticket you can show the ticket and it’s valid even though you never provide proof of identity, and the person checking is just verifying that the human entity in front of them have a piece of cardboard. No problem there. Buying a ticket with Apple pay just puts the “cardboard ticket” in your phone.

Now you could also buy a monthly travel card, and register it to your identity, which is great because now if you forget the card, but can prove your identity then no problem, since they have the records.

The issue here is that she has a non-identified cardboard ticket on her dead phone. Which doesn’t enjoy the benefit of being tied to her Identity.

Apple pay isn’t really any different from the coins4cardboard tech here. If you buy a cardboard ticket with a credit card and throw it away, then you can’t show bank statements to get out of a fine. The expectation of the cardboard ticket is that you keep it on you to prove you have it. If that had been the case and she’s dropped a ticket out the pocket of her coat, would they be blaming the coat brand?

dv_dtOP6y ago

Except for the fact it wasn't a paper ticket, it was an electronic ticket which likely has all sorts of records and metadata connected to it as well as being verifiable via a server - which would be needed anyway otherwise they have likely a huge electronically generated counterfeit or an accounting problem.

I'm guessing if the police wanted to check an alibi of an individual claiming to have taken the train at some point that the records of that electronic ticket would be dug up.

beerandt6y ago

Well, that depends on if the coat brand marketed itself as a way to manage all your tickets, payments, and receipts.

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