I also find this “incredible”, but in the old sense of the meaning as “not believable”.
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The problem with bad financial instruments is not that they don't work at all, but that they work fine for a period of time and then blow up.
I think the point your parent was trying to make is that the long term interest rate of any security has an upper bound of the growth rate of the economy.
I don't know of anyone who things the US economy has a real growth rate of 6%.
This is incorrect. Economists won't need it explained, but you're probably not one. Think about it like this - the growth of the economy is a weighted average of the growth of many different assets. By definition, a few of them will have higher rates of growth a few will have lower rates of growth.
What you should've said is that the higher rate ones are typically higher risk. So at the lowest possible risk, you probably cap out at the economic growth rate (also not a truism, but somewhat closer).
The 6% Dai savings rate is not static. Overtime, both the interest rate charged to those taking loans and the savings interest rate will need to be adjusted in response to economic conditions in order to maintain the peg. These adjustments have occurred many times and are part of the normal operation of the system.
That being said, MakerDAO has considered these scenarios and in the event that the peg can't be maintained, an emergency shutdown procedure occurs that gracefully shuts down the system. There's a separate token called MKR, and holders of the MKR token are the lenders of last resort. In the event of an emergency shutdown, MKR token is printed and auctioned off to settle debts in the system, devaluing the MKR token. Similarly, when a loan holder pays off their debts to the system, they pay that in MKR token and the MKR they paid is burned, creating scarcity of the token to reward MKR holders.
The risk adjusted return on whatever that crazy contraption is is almost certainly negative, and probably incalculably so.
The idea that any sane financial instrument could increase its return by two points by the holders of it voting to do so is... I haven't the words.
Raising the savings rate will also raise the interest rate that those holding loans must pay. If a loan holder doesn't agree with the new interest rate, they are free to close out their loan.
In another way, you're totally missing the point.
Net ROI hasn't been great for people who were earning x% interest on their ETH while it tanked 50%+.
But the _idea_ the animates DAI, the dream of a decentralized synthetic digital bearer asset, that's a worthwhile dream imo. It's not a simple idea to understand. And it's not simple to implement technically/socially. But DAI has been a beautiful experiment in attempting to create this new-fangled thing. and while the jury is still out on whether the model/architecture they've chosen will hold up, the experiment itself should, in my view, be declared a massive success - it has, for the most part, worked very well. And DAI opens the door to new experiments. And they'll come. A trickle at first. but in 10yrs, it'll be an entirely different landscape when it comes to complex financial instruments. They'll be available in the way stocks can be had on Robinhood. and more. bcs financial instruments that are currently too complex or expensive to be practical, will be within reach. The rabbit hole is deep. and it is real. You can dive in and start learning. Or yell at clouds until your boat gets lifted by a wave of innovation...
The people who built "that crazy contraption" are pioneers in an industry that is going to help lift hundreds of millions out of poverty via cheap, non-predatory financial services and create trillions in wealth by further unifying the global market.
I am somebody who spends hundreds of hours per year reading about Ethereum and blockchain. I could stop doing this whenever I want, I'm not bound by my employer or anything.
I keep at it because the underlying technology and things being built with it are amazing and valuable.
If you take one thing away from this thread, let it be that Bitcoin is the "Ask Jeeves" of cryptocurrency and the future is actively being built on Ethereum.
A 6% interest rate on USD would be a red flag, but Dai isn't USD. As far as I know, no banks allow you to use Ether as collateral for a USD loan, so the comparison isn't apples to apples.
Is this written in their documentation? Cos this is where the smart money gets out. The DAI competes against the USD. So all their transactions have to be in USD. No vendor for your products is accepting these magical tokens. No one in the economy except vanishingly small fractions accept digital tokens for trade.
Also, this is how the economy functions. All they've done is create a bank and sprinkled the fairy dust of "tokens" on it so the Fed stays away.
Their governance calls are open, you can join and watch them be money scientists.
Here's the link to the most recent governance call https://forum.makerdao.com/t/agenda-discussion-scientific-go...
Not necessarily. Our equivalent to a savings account (caderneta de poupança) had a return above 6% per year until a couple of years ago (it's down to slightly above 4% per year now). It's very easy to beat that (for instance, the 5-year prefixed federal government bond has a return of 6,39% per year at this moment). So a return of 6% per year would be considered normal around here, not a red flag.
This level of transparency is the very opposite of Madoff.
