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0 pointschrisseaton6y ago0 comments

> But does it really matter ?

Yes - I think we should challenge misleading information wherever we see it in this situation. Fighting panic is part of the problem and bad numbers cause panic.

I mean, if we don't really care that the numbers aren't accurate because it's more important to emphasise why the project is important, we might as well go all the way and say 99% of people need a ventilator and really sell the project.

There was a news report recently implying a 50/50 survival rate, due to this same kind of assuming everyone realises that you're talking about some group that's already in a bad way, but not actually saying that in the text.

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ldng6y ago

I don't think this project wants to create panic. To me it rather is trying to help and be prepared. I'd rather have too many than too few.

Plus, we don't know when the site was set up. Two weeks ago ? Four weeks ago ? Our collective knowlegde is changing every day. Could just be they have been busy and did not find the time to update it ?

And finally, blueprint for a cheap OSS FEV will always be useful. COVID or not.

__blockcipher__6y ago

They’re not arguing against having an open source spec, they’re just pointing out that you can do the open source ventilator thing while not spreading misinformation.

Please don’t confuse the two. It’s hard enough to fight the misinformation as is without well-intentioned people such as yourself introducing red herrings.

Again, your point is coming from a good place. But we need to be really careful about not accepting misinformation.

ldng6y ago

This is one line on a whole page. And if usually people should cross-reference at the very least 3 reputable sources before accepting an informations as true. Maybe it is a good time to ingrain that message along the "wash your hands"

maxlamb6y ago

Yes, I’m sure lots of people in Italy, Paris and Madrid wishes they had spent more time/energy challenging the notion that ventilators are important as they are letting hundreds of people die every day because of the lack of ventilators. /s

chrisseatonOP6y ago

I can't understand this point of view. It's more important than ever to put out good, accurate data and to help the public understand what is going on.

Also - what happens if something changes and now literally 20% of people do require ventilation? You won't be able to get that message across now because that's what they already think and the message won't be any change to readers!

joe_the_user6y ago

Yes - I think we should challenge misleading information wherever we see it in this situation

Indeed, and your information is wrong and misleading, stop it. You listed no sources and are going on "I thought..." You thought wrong.

senordevnyc6y ago

Actually, the biggest problem for a very long time has been people downplaying the risks and dangers of this pandemic, questioning the numbers, wondering whether it’s really that bad, and castigating any amount of preparation as “panic”, a word which has become meaningless in its overuse.

chrisseatonOP6y ago

But we know we're creating more artificial problems for ourselves!

There was no actual food supply issue. But people have panicked due to unchecked bad information and now we do have a real food supply issue, at the very worst time to have one!

Maybe if someone had said to people 'hang on that's not quite right there's plenty of food being supplied' we'd have one less problem.

gpm6y ago

I don't get this idea that "panic buying" is necessarily bad. We are moving goods from communal locations to people's homes. We aren't destroying goods. Once/if the virus does arrive in a large volume at the location we would greatly rather that people stayed at home and ate food they had stockpiled than that they then went to the grocery store. Dealing with shipping extra products now (while a very small fraction of people are infected), or just having shelves in stores be slightly bare, seems like a worthwhile tradeoff.

There are some questionable cases, like people hording years worth of toilet paper (which can cause real temporary shortages and actually significantly inconvenience people), but everyone stockpiling a months worth of food seems like a good thing.

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ldng6y ago

I don't think this project wants to create panic. To me it rather is trying to help and be prepared. I'd rather have too many than too few.

And finally, blueprint for a cheap OSS FEV will always be useful. COVID or not.

__blockcipher__6y ago

They’re not arguing against having an open source spec, they’re just pointing out that you can do the open source ventilator thing while not spreading misinformation.

Please don’t confuse the two. It’s hard enough to fight the misinformation as is without well-intentioned people such as yourself introducing red herrings.

Again, your point is coming from a good place. But we need to be really careful about not accepting misinformation.

ldng6y ago

maxlamb6y ago

chrisseatonOP6y ago

I can't understand this point of view. It's more important than ever to put out good, accurate data and to help the public understand what is going on.

joe_the_user6y ago

Yes - I think we should challenge misleading information wherever we see it in this situation

Indeed, and your information is wrong and misleading, stop it. You listed no sources and are going on "I thought..." You thought wrong.

senordevnyc6y ago

chrisseatonOP6y ago

But we know we're creating more artificial problems for ourselves!

There was no actual food supply issue. But people have panicked due to unchecked bad information and now we do have a real food supply issue, at the very worst time to have one!

Maybe if someone had said to people 'hang on that's not quite right there's plenty of food being supplied' we'd have one less problem.

gpm6y ago

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