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0 pointsavianlyric6y ago0 comments

That’s tricky without building a phone yourself from opensource hardware and software.

At least with Apple, they’re under so much scrutiny you can be fairly confident that if their software was lying it would quickly appear in the news.

Finally the above clearly shows that your assertion you can’t turn off the WiFi or Bluetooth radios is false (assuming the software isn’t outright lying, if think that then you should have said so in your first comment).

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samstave6y ago

No, I didnt understand that the "OFF" meant different things in the control panel vs the settings panel.

THAT is "apple software lying"

And your point is absurd "If you want a phone you can trust, then you need to build your own phone"

Fuck that logic.

shadowgovt6y ago

That's an old principle, and it is, unfortunately, still true. It all depends on where you want to put the trust slider, but push it far enough in the conservative direction and, yes, you enter "build your own machine from scratch" territory.

How do you know the hardware you use doesn't have a microdot that can bypass the monitoring logic and physically manipulate the radio without the OS's consent?

How do you know the software you're running doesn't embed its own bluetooth stack and use a 0-day exploit to gain physical control over the radio?

Oh, you compiled it yourself? With whose compiler? Are you sure that compiler faithfully adheres to the spec of the language and doesn't know how to embed a bluetooth stack that, etc.

Push the paranoia slider far enough, and you end up having to care about all this stuff.

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