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0 pointsArchD5y ago0 comments

Yeah, don't get me started on the fragile glass test tube called systemd-resolved that fails in mysterious ways when I use wicd on Ubuntu and the WiFi gets momentarily disconnected. I don't see the sense behind treating name resolution as something so special that it has to be part of an init system.

I like the overall theoretical concept of systemd but it has ugly implementation details like this.

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Spivak5y ago

But systemd-resolved is such an odd complaint since it’s only connection to systemd is the name and that it’s in the same repo. It’s not connected to the init system at all.

hedora5y ago

The entire repo is a big ball of mud. No one knows which parts can be removed without breaking things.

Heck, the author of this article couldn’t even find a design doc or adequate manual for the init part of the train wreck, and it’s been in development for ten years.

Spivak5y ago

Just set ENABLE_RESOLVE=0 when compiling and resolved is gone?

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throw0101a5y ago

> [...] and that it’s in the same repo. It’s not connected to the init system at all.

And that's exactly the problem.

For all the complaining I do about systemd, I'd be much less annoyed with it if all it did was PID 1. It's all the other stuff that gets tightly coupled for no discernibly-good reason that poisons the well for me.

terrywang5y ago

Funny you mentioned systemd-resolved, it generated so many coredumps across the machines I use at home (Arch, Manjaro, Fedora), its stability / reliability improved over time but still not up to standard.

Unfortunately, currently systemd-resolved is the only OS level DNS-Over-TLS solution that works for my use cases: roaming laptops and desktops running Linux. At home it's fine because the core router runs AsusWRT-Merlin which does DNS over TLS for all clients using it as resolver.

I don't have a strong opinion against systemd (initially I disliked it moving from Arch's BSD style rc.d). Trend is that systemd is taking over more and more *ctl, seem like its goal is the entire user-space?. Most distros choose to accept and adopt it, and overall (at some point) it eliminated distro differences and lowered the barrier for new Linux users (desktop) and sysadmins.

Personally I started systemd when it rolled into Arch Linux, after which point, rolling upgrade has never gone broke (workstation use case - Desktop Environment / WM), could be skill levelled up after gaining experience though lol...

BTW: I watched `reinventing home directories` by Lennart Poettering (recording @ All System Go! 2019), interesting one. Personally I like to see reinventing wheels to solve legacy problems (people get used to them, sometimes confused, question but don't know how to solve) others don't even consider problems. These helped open my mind and look at things from a different PoV.

[1]: notes on systemd-homed https://sites.google.com/site/imterry/aboutme/profiles/skill...

crazy_hombre5y ago

systemd isn't just an init system. It's a suite of tools that provides a system and service manager. It's not handling everything in one monolithic process. This has been said thousands of times before. I don't know why people don't get this.

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Spivak5y ago

But systemd-resolved is such an odd complaint since it’s only connection to systemd is the name and that it’s in the same repo. It’s not connected to the init system at all.

hedora5y ago

The entire repo is a big ball of mud. No one knows which parts can be removed without breaking things.

Heck, the author of this article couldn’t even find a design doc or adequate manual for the init part of the train wreck, and it’s been in development for ten years.

Spivak5y ago

Just set ENABLE_RESOLVE=0 when compiling and resolved is gone?

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throw0101a5y ago

> [...] and that it’s in the same repo. It’s not connected to the init system at all.

And that's exactly the problem.

terrywang5y ago

[1]: notes on systemd-homed https://sites.google.com/site/imterry/aboutme/profiles/skill...

crazy_hombre5y ago

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