Do the laws of physics allow for free will? (opens in new tab)

(nytimes.com)

6 pointsghaspland15y ago5 comments

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The argument that determinism negates moral responsibility only holds under the assumption that one is only morally responsible for actions of free will. The recent tsunami in Japan did not have free will but most people would agree that it (rather than the negligence of a free-willed party) is responsible for thousands of deaths.

ghasplandOP15y ago

Do you think you should hold a person morally responsible for a terrible result they have no control over? For instance, if I shoved person A into person B and as a result person B fell onto the third rail of a commuter train, would you hold person A morally responsible?

DennisP15y ago

A century of quantum physics and people are still talking about the deterministic universe. Old ideas die hard.

Not to say that quantum randomness really counts as "free will" either. I'm not exactly sure how you would define it.

ghasplandOP15y ago

The challenge with applying quantum physics at the level our actions take place is that the laws of classical physics rule. So does that randomness impact our actions in any way or are our actions deterministic for all intensive purposes?

DennisP15y ago

Not always. Lasers, for example, are macroscopic objects, but depend on quantum effects. Same with geiger counters, solar panels, all sorts of modern technology. Listen to the clicks on a geiger counter, and the state of your brain at any given instant is non-deterministic.

Researchers keep finding more ways that life uses quantum physics, including photosynthesis, the avian compass, and (maybe) the sense of smell:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcXSpXyZVuY

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12827893

So it wouldn't be all that surprising if they find quantum tricks in the brain, too.

Aside from that, there's radioactivity in your body, including your brain. I saw a speculation once that radioactive decay sparks electrical signals in the brain, which the brain sometimes amplifies enough to change macroscopic behavior. If that's the case, that would prevent our actions from being deterministic.

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colanderman15y ago

ghasplandOP15y ago

DennisP15y ago

A century of quantum physics and people are still talking about the deterministic universe. Old ideas die hard.

Not to say that quantum randomness really counts as "free will" either. I'm not exactly sure how you would define it.

ghasplandOP15y ago

DennisP15y ago

Researchers keep finding more ways that life uses quantum physics, including photosynthesis, the avian compass, and (maybe) the sense of smell:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcXSpXyZVuY

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12827893

So it wouldn't be all that surprising if they find quantum tricks in the brain, too.

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