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0 pointsvaluearb5y ago0 comments

There hasn’t been a nuclear war since the Cleveland Rams last NFL championship. The correlation is just as apt.

As far as preventing war in general, the Korean War, Vietnam, Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, the Falklands, two gulf wars, Russian invasion of Ukraine, etc, etc. UN mediation is no more effective than any other major power mediation efforts in history, in fact it can be argued the UN has been less effective.

The key method to avoiding war is to spread democracy, which is why the UN is such a failure, and it’s charter is the prime reason.

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alextheparrot5y ago

Would learning that the diplomatic channels of the UN were some of the methods used to relay information during, for example, the Cuban middle crisis change your opinion? The comparison seems to lack historical context, the UN has been involved into international diplomatic actions relating to nuclear war far more than any footballers.

I think the “spreading democracy” mindset is wholly unsubstantiated, as most of the wars you mentioned were predicated on either preserving or spreading democracy. If we need war to prevent war, it seems that there can be no peace.

valuearbOP5y ago

There is no peace as long as authoritarian regimes threaten democratic nations and their own peoples.

vkou5y ago

A bad peace is better than a good war.

As anyone who's ever had a war fought on their soil will tell you.

When was the last time a war has been fought on your country's soil? How many times since then has your country brought war to another's?

Your opinion might change were you on the receiving end of these adventures.

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alextheparrot5y ago

> The key method to avoiding war is to spread democracy

This statement remains unsubstantiated, and is furthermore argued against by the wars originally provided in the general context of the quote.

AnimalMuppet5y ago

Yes and no. Yes, there is not real peace, and there is not peace even within such nations. That difference (between authoritarian and non-authoritarian) matters.

But no, even with authoritarian regimes in existence, there is a difference between "shooting war" and "no shooting war". That difference matters, too.

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0 pointsvaluearb5y ago0 comments

There hasn’t been a nuclear war since the Cleveland Rams last NFL championship. The correlation is just as apt.

The key method to avoiding war is to spread democracy, which is why the UN is such a failure, and it’s charter is the prime reason.

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alextheparrot5y ago

valuearbOP5y ago

There is no peace as long as authoritarian regimes threaten democratic nations and their own peoples.

vkou5y ago

A bad peace is better than a good war.

As anyone who's ever had a war fought on their soil will tell you.

When was the last time a war has been fought on your country's soil? How many times since then has your country brought war to another's?

Your opinion might change were you on the receiving end of these adventures.

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alextheparrot5y ago

> The key method to avoiding war is to spread democracy

This statement remains unsubstantiated, and is furthermore argued against by the wars originally provided in the general context of the quote.

AnimalMuppet5y ago

Yes and no. Yes, there is not real peace, and there is not peace even within such nations. That difference (between authoritarian and non-authoritarian) matters.

But no, even with authoritarian regimes in existence, there is a difference between "shooting war" and "no shooting war". That difference matters, too.

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