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It's easily solvable if one thinks that helping many people is clearly worth helping[1] a few[2] manipulative hooligans.

My country may be higher-trust than yours, but my impression of how our social system works is that we've found it cheaper and easier to make social aid readily available, and pay a few people who double-check on recipients for possible fraud, than to pay many people to administer red-tape as a hurdle for social aid.

In any case, the immediate problem (at least going by the leaders of the UN security council permanent members), is not dark personalities claiming victimhood soaking the system, it's dark personalities claiming victimhood running the system.

[1] Mark Twain on punishment:

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/2986/old/mt5bg10.txt

> "Lord, there is one who needs to be punished, and has been overlooked. It is in the record. I have found it."

[2] I would claim that if dark personalities were not rare in one's society, one would have much bigger problems than "victimhood signalling."

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llimos5y ago

Interesting thing about that Mark Twain quote, that he failed to spot the logical fallacy in it.

> S. No, Lord. To him there is no difference of consequence. To him they are all microbes, all infinitely little and equally inconsequential.

> L. To me there is no difference of consequence between a man & a microbe. Man looks down upon the speck at his feet called a microbe from an altitude of a thousand miles, so to speak, and regards him with indifference; I look down upon the specks called a man and a microbe from an altitude of a billion leagues, so to speak, and to me they are of a size. To me both are inconsequential. Man kills the microbes when he can?

He uses the word infinite. If the Lord is infinite, mathematically infinity divided by a very large number is identical to infinity divided by a very small number. So the microbe should get the same amount of attention from the Lord as the galaxy etc.

The argument only works if the Lord is not infinite but merely very very big

DangitBobby5y ago

The problem that I'm claiming is unsolvable is this:

> Why focus on the individual instead of the environment that rewards him

I agree that we shouldn't stop trying to help people just because there will always be fraud.

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