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0 pointsstale20025y ago0 comments

> Taking a stance to not control what communication is allowed is a very political stance. It just so happens that, I believe in those cases, it's also a legally mandated stance; but, if it weren't a legally mandated stance, it would absolutely be a political stance, whatever they ended up saying.

Not really, no. That is not usually what people mean, when they say "take a political stance".

We can extend this to other examples. Do you think that a grocery store should ban people from their stores, if the individual is wearing a pro Trump, or pro Biden Tshirt?

I think it would be pretty silly to condemn a grocery store, for refusing to ban people from their stores, if they were wearing a "Vote for Biden/Trump" shirt.

Most people would find it absolutely and completely ridiculous to ban people from stores for doing that.

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ghaff5y ago

Yes, but a lot of companies would absolutely do so for employees--rather than customers--certainly including grocery stores even if they didn't otherwise have dress codes (which they likely do).

stale2002OP5y ago

> Yes

So then you agree with the vast majority of people that it is not a "political" decision to refuse to ban someone for wearing a "vote for Biden/Trump" shirt?

Cool. That is my point. Basically everyone would not call it political to refuse to ban someone for that.

adamsea5y ago

[EDIT: actually what’s probably quite relevant is all the stories about high schools sending young women home because they don’t approve of their outfits even if said outfit doesn’t violate a dress code.]

Imagine someone walks into a grocery store naked.

Or wearing a t-shirt with a explicit image of a man and a woman having sex. Or two men having sex.

Or a t-shirt which says / shows something extremely inflammatory yet not illegal.

I could imagine various stores making various decisions in all of these cases, all of which would be the folks working in that store expressing their beliefs!

Humans are inherently social and thus inherently political (politics in the sense of politics as the negotiation and management of a community).

Or imagine someone walks into a grocery store and doesn’t wear a mask! Lol :):/:(.

stale2002OP5y ago

> Or wearing a t-shirt

Or wearing a "vote for Trump/Biden" t shirt.

In that situation basically everyone would agree that it would be ridiculous to say that the grocery store should ban people for wearing that t-shirt.

I think that most people would not call refusing to ban someone for wearing this t-shirt as a "political" decision.

Most people would agree that it is not political to refuse to ban someone for wearing a "vote for Trump/Biden" shirt.

If you do call that political, to refuse to ban someone for that, basically everyone would disagree with you.

ghaff5y ago

It's hard to parse all the double negatives.

But, in general, businesses businesses should generally have a fairly wide latitude as to what the t-shirt slogans they allow customers to wear. (Though I think we can imagine various slogans a business might deem objectionable.)

At the same time, businesses can reasonably have a fairly narrow latitude as to what employees should wear, even barring an official dress code, with respect to even advocating for a specific candidate--and that may even get into matters of company campaigning.

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triceratops5y ago

> Do you think that a grocery store should ban people from their stores, if the individual is wearing a pro Trump, or pro Biden Tshirt?

A lot of bars and clubs have dress codes. Many ban wearing clothes that could be perceived as "gang" colors. It would be a terrible business decision for a grocery store to do this, but I don't think it's wrong.

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ghaff5y ago

Yes, but a lot of companies would absolutely do so for employees--rather than customers--certainly including grocery stores even if they didn't otherwise have dress codes (which they likely do).

stale2002OP5y ago

> Yes

So then you agree with the vast majority of people that it is not a "political" decision to refuse to ban someone for wearing a "vote for Biden/Trump" shirt?

Cool. That is my point. Basically everyone would not call it political to refuse to ban someone for that.

adamsea5y ago

Imagine someone walks into a grocery store naked.

Or wearing a t-shirt with a explicit image of a man and a woman having sex. Or two men having sex.

Or a t-shirt which says / shows something extremely inflammatory yet not illegal.

I could imagine various stores making various decisions in all of these cases, all of which would be the folks working in that store expressing their beliefs!

Humans are inherently social and thus inherently political (politics in the sense of politics as the negotiation and management of a community).

Or imagine someone walks into a grocery store and doesn’t wear a mask! Lol :):/:(.

stale2002OP5y ago

> Or wearing a t-shirt

Or wearing a "vote for Trump/Biden" t shirt.

In that situation basically everyone would agree that it would be ridiculous to say that the grocery store should ban people for wearing that t-shirt.

I think that most people would not call refusing to ban someone for wearing this t-shirt as a "political" decision.

Most people would agree that it is not political to refuse to ban someone for wearing a "vote for Trump/Biden" shirt.

If you do call that political, to refuse to ban someone for that, basically everyone would disagree with you.

ghaff5y ago

It's hard to parse all the double negatives.

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triceratops5y ago

> Do you think that a grocery store should ban people from their stores, if the individual is wearing a pro Trump, or pro Biden Tshirt?

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