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0 pointsRed_Leaves_Flyy5y ago0 comments

>As a former republican who is afraid of the direction of political dialog in this country.

Specifically what are you afraid of?

>In my option the dismal showing for dems in the congress and many state legislatures and governors and trumps loss is a repudiation for the toxic rhetoric from both groups.

Can you give me some examples of the toxic rhetoric you see from congressional democrats?

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vanattab5y ago

I think the media and pundits on both sides have constructed mental pictures of the "enemy" in the minds of naive voters, which don't accurately describe the people in the opposing camps. During the Bush and Obama administrations if you did a study where you asked GOP voters to describe how they think DEM voters would describe there political views and vis-versa there was a much bigger gap between what Democrats thought Republicans believed and what Republicans themselves reported then the other way around. Although I have not seen data from the trump era I suspect that the discrepancy would be in both higher in both comparisons.

Red_Leaves_FlyyOP5y ago

This didn't really address my questions. What scares Republicans about democrats?

Is it that I want affordable health, eye, and dental care?

Is it that I want poor and minority groups to be protected from exploitation?

Is it that I want religion to stay out of politics and wombs, and pay taxes?

Is it that I want white collar criminals to be prosecuted?

Is it that I want the failed war on drugs to end and get addicts actual rehabilitative care?

Is it that I want our decrepit infrastructure to get maintained?

Is it that I want people of color and women to be protected from hate?

Is it that I want poor and minority people to have the same opportunities as rich kids?

Is it that I want college to be affordable and lead to a better life instead of serfdom?

Is it that I want to get perverse incentives out of prisons?

I can go on. We can argue methods in other posts, but do these mere dreams scare Republicans? If so, why?

cozuya5y ago

Republicans directly oppose all of those things, because they are, at their core, bad people who are only interested in their personal wellbeing, not of what is best for this country.

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ufmace5y ago

Here's a congressional democrat calling for lists to be drawn up of those who worked with Trump.

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1324807776510595078

What do you think they intend to do with those lists?

istorical5y ago

Most likely hold them to account for enabling poor policy choices by avoiding giving them any position of power in the future, discouraging anyone from voting for them, etc.

But her statement was rather vague and didn't clearly state at all what the purpose of her list would be, so our own biases about her and what she represents would likely color our feelings about what she might do with such a list, no?

Red_Leaves_FlyyOP5y ago

To be clear. Congressman Cortez is asking if people are preserving the history of people that supported trump.

She is not making a list.

Red_Leaves_FlyyOP5y ago

Congresswoman Cortez explains herself well.

>Is anyone archiving these Trump sycophants for when they try to downplay or deny their complicity in the future? I foresee decent probability of many deleted Tweets, writings, photos in the future

The concern is that these enablers will not have their credibility tarnished for their support of trump.

Are you okay with whitewashing?

She wants to prevent Trump's (former?) supporters from whitewashing their actions so that we, Royal we, can face the problems trump exposed.

What, exactly, is your fear here?

delecti5y ago

You're spinning what is essentially "screenshotting tweets" to sound a lot more nefarious than it is. It seems pretty clear to me that she's talking about accountability. It's not about hunting down poor innocent conservatives in their homes, it's making sure that people involved in the administration can't distance themselves from their actions.

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vanattab5y ago

Red_Leaves_FlyyOP5y ago

This didn't really address my questions. What scares Republicans about democrats?

Is it that I want affordable health, eye, and dental care?

Is it that I want poor and minority groups to be protected from exploitation?

Is it that I want religion to stay out of politics and wombs, and pay taxes?

Is it that I want white collar criminals to be prosecuted?

Is it that I want the failed war on drugs to end and get addicts actual rehabilitative care?

Is it that I want our decrepit infrastructure to get maintained?

Is it that I want people of color and women to be protected from hate?

Is it that I want poor and minority people to have the same opportunities as rich kids?

Is it that I want college to be affordable and lead to a better life instead of serfdom?

Is it that I want to get perverse incentives out of prisons?

I can go on. We can argue methods in other posts, but do these mere dreams scare Republicans? If so, why?

cozuya5y ago

Republicans directly oppose all of those things, because they are, at their core, bad people who are only interested in their personal wellbeing, not of what is best for this country.

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ufmace5y ago

Here's a congressional democrat calling for lists to be drawn up of those who worked with Trump.

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1324807776510595078

What do you think they intend to do with those lists?

istorical5y ago

Most likely hold them to account for enabling poor policy choices by avoiding giving them any position of power in the future, discouraging anyone from voting for them, etc.

Red_Leaves_FlyyOP5y ago

To be clear. Congressman Cortez is asking if people are preserving the history of people that supported trump.

She is not making a list.

Red_Leaves_FlyyOP5y ago

Congresswoman Cortez explains herself well.

>Is anyone archiving these Trump sycophants for when they try to downplay or deny their complicity in the future? I foresee decent probability of many deleted Tweets, writings, photos in the future

The concern is that these enablers will not have their credibility tarnished for their support of trump.

Are you okay with whitewashing?

She wants to prevent Trump's (former?) supporters from whitewashing their actions so that we, Royal we, can face the problems trump exposed.

What, exactly, is your fear here?

delecti5y ago

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