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0 pointskempbellt5y ago0 comments

> Vegans don't face any such dilemma.

This is such hand-wavy bullshit. It's such a lazy response to OPs point...

Are humans animals? If so, should we not consume the products that humans create, in order to achieve perfect veganism? And if people are not animals, and I'm feeling a bit hungry........?

The computer or phone you used to post your comment is an animal product. Unless, yet again, we consider humans to be above animals, and therefore exempt from all the rules, and veganism is cannibalizing itself, philosophically.

Absolutist veganism (which is a beautiful idealism) exists heavily in a state of cognitive dissonance.

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netrus5y ago

That's such a strange way to argue. We use heuristics all the time. As I said elsewhere, the farmer is not a slave, that changes the equation. If all salads were made by slaves, beef might be the ethical superior choice. But it isn't. If you find someone who wants you do eat them: I guess that's fine? You cannot li ve 100% without harming animals - so it is cognitive dissonance to call for ending 95% of animal suffering (that, again, serves no good reason)?

kempbelltOP5y ago

The cognitive dissonance is the perfectionist idealism of veganism, and the assumed "ethical superiority" that constantly gets thrown around while taking zero constructive criticism that the people promoting it are in fact, living at complete odds with it.

It's like beating your children to try and instill core values that abuse is bad. "Don't hit, Timmy. Hitting is bad! I'm going to spank you to get my point across."

OP made a good point about the imperfections of idealistic veganism and it was dismissed with a, "Nope. This isn't a thing. Our ideals are perfectly defined. You are the problem", which goes directly against the belief that one's ideals are perfectly defined if someone is questioning holes in the definition - i.e, cognitive dissonance...

Falling35y ago

The OP did not make a good point - they made a Nirvana Fallacy. And your analogy in no way captures that argument anyway.

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the_gastropod5y ago

This is.... one of the more bizarre critiques of veganism I've ever seen.

You familiar with the concept of consent?

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