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57 pointsrobspychala15y ago19 comments

19 comments

lux15y ago

Been developing on DotCloud for a month or two now, and minus a couple very minor hiccups it's been fantastic. Some things I'm really looking forward to though:

* Pre-install hooks in addition to their post-install ones (to, for example, move file x, push update, move it back)

* Some kind of admin panel with usage monitoring

* Pricing announcement (would help to plan for the future, since I plan on deploying with DotCloud too obviously)

* An API for accessing the DotCloud commands programmatically from a service, to do things like 'dotcloud alias' within an app

Actually, that's about it. It'll be nice to see some additional service types stabilize (particularly mongo & memcache), but other than the above it's really been an amazing platform to work with, and the functionality/simplicity balance is very well thought out.

noodle15y ago

pricing is my major concern and the only reason i'm not throwing sites onto dotcloud. i don't want to migrate stuff to dotcloud and then have to migrate it back again if pricing doesn't work for me.

shykes15y ago

We're taking pricing very seriously. The status quo of platform pricing is not good enough, and we want to fix that.

Expect an announcement soon.

steverb15y ago

Slightly OT

Is there an open source platform similar to DotCloud/Heroku? We really need something just like this for our private/internal use.

Or alternatively, does anyone license such a thing? I'm sure I could find the $ for the right product.

mrkurt15y ago

VMWare's Cloud Foundry is open source and most similar to Heroku/DotCloud.

steverb15y ago

Very cool. Thanks!

shykes15y ago

Here's a funny story. DotCloud's early prototypes were in fact very similar to Cloud Foundry's "paas-in-a-box" project. We even open-sourced large chunks of it.

We eventually had to drop that design because, beyond a certain scale, it gets in the way of the user experience - in a major way. I think all major PaaS providers will agree with me.

You have to chose your priorities. Ours is to make developer's lives easier. We axe everything else.

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tomasdev15y ago

:D DotCloud FTW, the point is it takes so long to get approved for an account.

shykes15y ago

Here's a little help: http://www.dotcloud.com/account/create

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Remember: we love feedback!

tripa15y ago

Here's a quick "complaint" feedback about the signup process, then: don't erase my strong password I took 15s to type in (twice) if you reject my invitation code and I have to find another one. It's a strong incitation to use a weak but easy-to-type password instead.

(not really a problem to me just yet, but it resonates wrong with the password strength warning on the same page)

Dornkirk15y ago

all invalid :(

shykes15y ago

Wow, guys. Here's a few more:

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cdr15y ago

I got an invite from dotcloud way faster than any of the other hosting services that're in beta.

sawyer15y ago

The problem with PaaS and cloud hosting in general is price. Most experienced hackers are used to managing hardware, so why not stick with dedicated or colo and retain affordable scalability?

hboon15y ago

Because in return, they reduce mental load and time costs.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse

19 comments

lux15y ago

Been developing on DotCloud for a month or two now, and minus a couple very minor hiccups it's been fantastic. Some things I'm really looking forward to though:

* Pre-install hooks in addition to their post-install ones (to, for example, move file x, push update, move it back)

* Some kind of admin panel with usage monitoring

* Pricing announcement (would help to plan for the future, since I plan on deploying with DotCloud too obviously)

* An API for accessing the DotCloud commands programmatically from a service, to do things like 'dotcloud alias' within an app

noodle15y ago

pricing is my major concern and the only reason i'm not throwing sites onto dotcloud. i don't want to migrate stuff to dotcloud and then have to migrate it back again if pricing doesn't work for me.

shykes15y ago

We're taking pricing very seriously. The status quo of platform pricing is not good enough, and we want to fix that.

Expect an announcement soon.

steverb15y ago

Slightly OT

Is there an open source platform similar to DotCloud/Heroku? We really need something just like this for our private/internal use.

Or alternatively, does anyone license such a thing? I'm sure I could find the $ for the right product.

mrkurt15y ago

VMWare's Cloud Foundry is open source and most similar to Heroku/DotCloud.

steverb15y ago

Very cool. Thanks!

shykes15y ago

Here's a funny story. DotCloud's early prototypes were in fact very similar to Cloud Foundry's "paas-in-a-box" project. We even open-sourced large chunks of it.

We eventually had to drop that design because, beyond a certain scale, it gets in the way of the user experience - in a major way. I think all major PaaS providers will agree with me.

You have to chose your priorities. Ours is to make developer's lives easier. We axe everything else.

1 more reply

tomasdev15y ago

:D DotCloud FTW, the point is it takes so long to get approved for an account.

shykes15y ago

Here's a little help: http://www.dotcloud.com/account/create

  ZBWGFX   F2OQgg
  tTNdfA   0GjuwZ
  RYC40X   1h9oUs
  VloaKt   r4o8H5
  Cwm0sR   mREz36
  7VBnQ5   E3nt4a
  DVA5qe   jcG9as
  rL4pu2   fLRYzO
  AGx29j   cXuQ4X
  PoHOEe   gPhyLx

Remember: we love feedback!

tripa15y ago

(not really a problem to me just yet, but it resonates wrong with the password strength warning on the same page)

Dornkirk15y ago

all invalid :(

shykes15y ago

Wow, guys. Here's a few more:

  tcgyJc    Z24X3X    oGI6gD    eeRvDT
  apcxH0    KksfOy    ciIzBN    9DC8TF
  kzjHzf    KZQRt6    lMP64Z    iW3Al3
  DP8fot    wMNDdT    gDBFo7    2I8pTG
  k7W6rQ    VfO3XF    DDBBjn    O8RP7a
  MHcnr9    ezCF0f    qz9onY    jBm5NR
  Gl6bZ9    xKlITV    jvWa3Z    kOuTXZ
  VclokJ    RQoyZv    TKCoGC    36JCIF
  V7g9T1    8XqSEu    Cx9UEu    hkj3xV
  EWexbx    yiJjwX    imogNG    HhM72o
  sErcnX    t7iDZr    6gFATJ    lE80X9
  dhyFGx    jDPc5J    7QURyH    nrb2rP

1 more reply

cdr15y ago

I got an invite from dotcloud way faster than any of the other hosting services that're in beta.

sawyer15y ago

The problem with PaaS and cloud hosting in general is price. Most experienced hackers are used to managing hardware, so why not stick with dedicated or colo and retain affordable scalability?

hboon15y ago

Because in return, they reduce mental load and time costs.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse