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0 pointslibertine5y ago0 comments

Exactly. This subject can easily backfire and blow the trust of a population on vaccines, or worst, on the regulators.

Imagine this is the outcome of a production problem, yet regulators refused to acknowledge this until it was out of proportions because the problem wasn't fixed. Not only people would lose trust on vaccines, they would lose trust on the regulator - this extends far beyond this vaccine, but all vaccines and medicines.

People need to feel safe, and to know that regulators are not sleeping on their job. It's not a bureaucratic job, but that they are actively looking at data and reports from doctors.

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ggreer5y ago

I think a lot of people (myself included) are more than willing to take a vaccine with these risks. As long as there is informed consent, what’s the problem?

Banning everyone from getting this vaccine is typical bureaucratic ass-covering. Their incentives are not aligned with ours. They get in trouble if they’re directly responsible for a few deaths, but not if they’re indirectly responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths.

To give a point of comparison: 250 miles of driving gives you a one in a million chance of death. This vaccine is safer than that.

libertineOP5y ago

The problem is that it's starting to look more and more like a production problem and a bad batch, and you shouldn't be vaccinated with a product that probably should have failed QA.

It's not bureaucratic ass-covering, it's literally the protocol that's in place and has worked to keep populations safe.

>250 miles of driving gives you a one in a million chance of death. This vaccine is safer than that.

Again you're missing the point. The correct analogy would be: driving on a car that randomly combusts, or has faulty breaks, due to bad QA. And this actually happens/happened, that's why some cars are pulled from the market to be fixed when such things happen. Doesn't matter if it has happened on 1 or 2 cars, it shouldn't happen. Want another analogy?

Want another example? The Boing 737 Max.

You should only be allowed to use products that are working as expected, not faulty products. Specially not medicines and vaccines, that could blow up the trust on regulators and the vaccines.

ggreer5y ago

The alternative to a car with bad brakes or a plane with design flaws is another car or another plane. The alternative to a covid vaccine is that you get covid. Even for young and healthy people, that can mean debilitating long-term illness.

There is no safe option here. We have to think like we are in war time, not peace time. Allowing people with informed consent to take this vaccine will save far more lives than banning everyone from taking it.

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0 pointslibertine5y ago0 comments

Exactly. This subject can easily backfire and blow the trust of a population on vaccines, or worst, on the regulators.

People need to feel safe, and to know that regulators are not sleeping on their job. It's not a bureaucratic job, but that they are actively looking at data and reports from doctors.

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ggreer5y ago

I think a lot of people (myself included) are more than willing to take a vaccine with these risks. As long as there is informed consent, what’s the problem?

To give a point of comparison: 250 miles of driving gives you a one in a million chance of death. This vaccine is safer than that.

libertineOP5y ago

The problem is that it's starting to look more and more like a production problem and a bad batch, and you shouldn't be vaccinated with a product that probably should have failed QA.

It's not bureaucratic ass-covering, it's literally the protocol that's in place and has worked to keep populations safe.

>250 miles of driving gives you a one in a million chance of death. This vaccine is safer than that.

Want another example? The Boing 737 Max.

You should only be allowed to use products that are working as expected, not faulty products. Specially not medicines and vaccines, that could blow up the trust on regulators and the vaccines.

ggreer5y ago

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