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0 pointsdangoor4y ago0 comments

Many companies would just never touch an AGPL package, and while there are other languages out there with commercial licenses (e.g. Delphi), those are not nearly as mainstream as the open & freely available ones.

Deno is competing against Node.js, which is MIT-licensed. Deno is arguably better, but it would have to be _so much better_ to get people to even give it a second look if it was commercial.

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hctaw4y ago

That's why you dual license, which is significantly more approachable. "This is AGPL/GPL unless you pay $200/month per developer seat" is a common licensing scheme for frameworks, people aren't scared by it.

frenchy4y ago

In some places, the people who hold the purse strings are rather far removed from the actual developers, that it's a lot easier to just go with something that's "free".

I think this is one of the reasons why cloud computing monoliths like AWS are so successful. It's way easier to set up a $50/month VM on AWS then to get permission to spend $5/month on a VM elsewhere.

hctaw4y ago

Enterprise sales requires paying salespeople for their network of potential customers and time to reach them. The sales cycle is long and risky for companies that can't absorb the cost of the sales salary and time to get revenue.

Unless you have a ridiculously good relationship with a handful of organizations or a perfect system for fitting into existing infrastructures, it's a big mistake to care about selling something to those organizations.

AWS is popular because it's free for companies with a high potential for getting big (like YC companies) and they can absorb the costs of the sales cycle.

reader_mode4y ago

> This is AGPL/GPL unless you pay $200/month per developer seat" is a common licensing scheme for frameworks, people aren't scared by it

Really ? I can think of QT - but that's such a huge body of work with some very specific use cases in which it doesn't really have competition (aside from DOM based shell for UI maybe, but that has it's own problems and is often a hassle to get working).

In this case Node is established, Deno is going to have an up hill battle to gain that mindshare on equal footing, adding a licensing restriction would probably kill it off the ground.

throwaway20374y ago

I promise: No trolling with this question.

Can anyone name a few that come to mind?

I only know about one (Qt: GPLv2/3 or LGPLv3), but I don't use a lot of commercial software. Interestingly, Qt looks about 233 USD per month per seat!

Ref: https://www.qt.io/pricing

threatofrain4y ago

Unfortunately Deno gave up on their most unique differentiator, the TS [runtime].

wperron4y ago

We most certainly did not, TypeScript is and continues to be a primary concern for us and we plan on continuing to support it as a first-class citizen of the ecosystem

threatofrain4y ago

Is Deno still going for TS runtime?

> Deno is a runtime for JavaScript and TypeScript that is based on the V8 JavaScript engine and the Rust programming language.

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lucacasonato4y ago

No we didn't?! Where did you get this info from? Deno is made to work with TypeScript out of the box. The Deno Standard Library is written in TypeScript: https://deno.land/std. Most userland modules are TypeScript too.

not_knuth4y ago

If it helps, I think this is the main source of misinformation:

https://startfunction.com/deno-will-stop-using-typescript/

It featured on HN some time back:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23592483

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threatofrain4y ago

Wasn't a TypeScript runtime the original Deno selling point? Didn't the project have to pivot away from that?

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hctaw4y ago

frenchy4y ago

In some places, the people who hold the purse strings are rather far removed from the actual developers, that it's a lot easier to just go with something that's "free".

hctaw4y ago

AWS is popular because it's free for companies with a high potential for getting big (like YC companies) and they can absorb the costs of the sales cycle.

reader_mode4y ago

> This is AGPL/GPL unless you pay $200/month per developer seat" is a common licensing scheme for frameworks, people aren't scared by it

In this case Node is established, Deno is going to have an up hill battle to gain that mindshare on equal footing, adding a licensing restriction would probably kill it off the ground.

throwaway20374y ago

I promise: No trolling with this question.

Can anyone name a few that come to mind?

I only know about one (Qt: GPLv2/3 or LGPLv3), but I don't use a lot of commercial software. Interestingly, Qt looks about 233 USD per month per seat!

Ref: https://www.qt.io/pricing

threatofrain4y ago

Unfortunately Deno gave up on their most unique differentiator, the TS [runtime].

wperron4y ago

We most certainly did not, TypeScript is and continues to be a primary concern for us and we plan on continuing to support it as a first-class citizen of the ecosystem

threatofrain4y ago

Is Deno still going for TS runtime?

> Deno is a runtime for JavaScript and TypeScript that is based on the V8 JavaScript engine and the Rust programming language.

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lucacasonato4y ago

not_knuth4y ago

If it helps, I think this is the main source of misinformation:

https://startfunction.com/deno-will-stop-using-typescript/

It featured on HN some time back:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23592483

1 more reply

threatofrain4y ago

Wasn't a TypeScript runtime the original Deno selling point? Didn't the project have to pivot away from that?

4 more replies

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse