>>> I've always hesitated to recommend Signal to people due to Moxie's attitude towards the more traditional security and privacy community where things like federation and open source are respected concepts.

>> My understanding is that is a part of the amateur 'security' community, not the professional or expert one?

> Why would you think that? And what is the amateur 'security' community?

Hi - I think that because IME federation and open source are heavily emphasized by amateurs, and much less so by professionals.

By amateur 'security' community, I mean nothing more than it sounds - non-professionals who focus on security, among a constellation of other issues.

My point is that the arsome's comment (the first one) uses "traditional security and privacy community", and I want to clarify what that means. Among professionals, Moxie is much more traditional than the amateurs are, as I understand things.