I am acquainted with people who firmly believe the Devil's Plant is terrible and shouldn't be legal anywhere — what then?
Before legalization, one of the biggest reasons for arrests was marijuana offenses. Not only were police the biggest expenses on many towns' budgets, but many municipalities relied on revenue from those marijuana arrests to balance their own budgets. Now cops are scrambling to manufacture other victimless crimes in order to justify their budgets and compensation, as well as keeping their employers afloat.
I guess we need baby steps but idk if social sharing is enough. A big problem with the current drug world is not getting clean and pure substances and in predictable doses. I didn't see anything about like lsd labs and stores or mdma production being allowed in the bill. Did i miss something about making higher quality drugs more available to regular people?
Decriminalizing, to me, is just having an industry tell you they don’t want to be regulated or illegal, and that’s absurd!
A big step for research though!
I'd really like to know if this is bullshit or not lol https://www.bluelight.org/xf/threads/what-is-wrong-with-the-...
I imagine the ratios are similar for alcohol, cannabis and tobacco. Subjecting the 95% to threats of fines and jail time for the 5% is wrong. But it would make sense to use this new tax base as a platform for addressing our homeless and mental health problems.
Also the parent commenter on “tax base” is misguided. We’re not talking about legalizing and taxing drugs, just not locking people up for victimless crimes.
The way this comment is written makes it sound as if 100% of people will be using psychedelics after decriminalization goes into effect.
100%? Of course not, but some who are susceptible will likely be in that percentage of people who decide to give it a shot.
I'd assume they're already on psychedelics regardless of whether they're legal or not.
Very few people take psychedelics for long periods of time. If anything they are "anti-addictive".
Maybe instead the national government can take care of veterans, and we can start having proper mental health care
You can’t sell corrective eyeglasses without a license.
You can’t buy (or sell) penicillin without licenses.
I could go on.
California has thousands of ridiculous, out-dated, laws.
Yet, I see no groundswell of support for getting rid of them.
My point is, this isn’t about generic ‘decriminalization’ or libertarianism or personal liberty.
Rather, it’s about intoxicants.
It is worth stopping and wondering what is behind this trend of increasing the number of intoxicated people (whether it be through recreational drugs or prescribed drugs.)
I don’t know the answer, but you’re whistling past the graveyard by telling yourself it’s simply about cleaning up or reforming the criminal code. If it were, we would be starting with truly harmless activities such as taking money to put a weave in your girlfriends hair without a license (misdemeanor).
Ending the WoD prohibition and decriminalization is the way to go to stop incarcerating poor and minorities, ending violence in many countries, and decriminalizing personal choices.
PS: Ketamine, acid, and shrooms are on my bucket list.
Suspending one's mind into an altered state while being aware of the grave consequences that would result if getting caught –effectively defenseless while high– makes me think hypervigilance is almost a rational response to that situation.
I've seen heavy users succumb to conspiracies but such cases were ultimately a symptom of schizophrenia. There has been research into use of drugs and mental illness.
Alcohol intoxication on the other hand, doesn't share the taboo, but paranoid ideations seem plenty. Intoxicated people misread signals, pick up malicious intent wherever and the paranoia that results blows back on the people most important to the person.
These substances can make you more susceptible.
David Icke, was he writing or speaking about conspiracy before he encountered psychedelics or after? What about Terence McKenna and his intriguing Timewave Zero nonsense?
Edit: satirical joke
https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2019/08/07/tenderloin-hero...
What is the scenario that concerns you?
I think ketamine's dosage (100s of mgs) and oral activity (low) is not conducive towards secretly drugging someone. To drug someone with ketamine without their consent, you'd likely have to inject them. If someone is injecting a victim with a drug to knock them out, ketamine seems like it'd be a lot safer than heroin and somewhat safer than benzos - both of which would have a higher chance of respiratory depression.
I suspect this "long history" is drug war propaganda - ketamine would be more expensive and less convenient than other similar options for incapacitating someone via injection.
I imagine guns and knives are the most popular choices for subduing kidnapping victims, and they're explicitly legal because they can be used in that way
https://erowid.org/culture/characters/moore_marcia/moore_mar...
Though, I'm sure the risk of ketamine is still better controlled in a legalized environment, hence it's inclusion.
Anyone know the probability that this will make it all the way to becoming law?
Amazing! I’ve been curious about LSD but it’s kinda hard to get. Also glad to see ibogaine, ketamine, and MDMA on here in addition to psylocibin as they all have great medical potential.
Really hope this is signed in to law!
https://www.verywellmind.com/does-cocaine-have-any-legit-med...
Cocaine has very useful medical effects which is why it's a lower category.
> This bill would repeal those provisions.
Does this mean that the bill lets California start promoting unlawful use of drugs and alcohol? What is the purpose of this change?
> I have mentioned that in the cannabis experience there is a part of your mind that remains a dispassionate observer, who is able to take you down in a hurry if need be. I have on a few occasions been forced to drive in heavy traffic when high. I’ve negotiated it with no difficulty at all, though I did have some thoughts about the marvelous cherry-red color of traffic lights. I find that after the drive I’m not high at all. There are no flashes on the insides of my eyelids. If you’re high and your child is calling, you can respond about as capably as you usually do. I don’t advocate driving when high on cannabis, but I can tell you from personal experience that it certainly can be done.
Limiting the speed cars can drive is a much better mitigation, along with better city design to avoid car use, and minizmize fast car use.
The approach of "what if the driver's attention is impaired by <thing>"
Has to be rehashed for every instance of <thing> and is never going to fix the root of the problem - that cars are dangerous
