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0 pointsmindslight4y ago0 comments

Taylor was killed because her boyfriend exercised his second amendment rights. There are no charges to contest, because the police on the scene acted as judge, jury, and executioner. That there aren't charges against the extrajudicial killers ("murderers") to be litigated is exactly the problem.

The NRA does plenty of activism that doesn't involve defending people against charges, but for this incident they've been silent. For comparison, here is a statement that was put out by Gun Owners of America: https://www.gunowners.org/goa-speaks-out-after-no-knock-raid... . IMO it doesn't go far enough, condemning the general practice but failing to condemn the specific murderers, but at least they've said something.

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_-david-_4y ago

I am very much in favor of getting rid of no knock raids. I believe the NRA or other pro gun groups should defend any person who shoots cops who do no knock raids. If we are going to have no knock raids I believe they should be heavily restricted and need approval from the mayor, governor or president (depending on the law enforcement agency).

However, I do not believe a pro gun group should work to get rid of no knock raids. I think a more generalized civil liberty group should work on that. I am very much in favor of NRA working on 2nd amendment cases (and those related like 4th amendment cases where they are taking a person's gun). I am not sure what other activism you are talking about, but if it is not about guns I don't think the NRA should work on it.

mindslightOP4y ago

> I believe the NRA or other pro gun groups should defend any person who shoots cops who do no knock raids

If Kenneth Walker (Taylor's boyfriend) had been murdered instead, would this not include demanding justice for him? Or if by "defend" you mean only against legal charges, why should the home defender have to win the armed conflict in order to receive support?

> I do not believe a pro gun group should work to get rid of no knock raids

No knock raids are logically incompatible with private ownership of firearms, and the right to self defense in general. They directly follow from assuming a compliant disarmed populace that will suffer attackers until the "authorities" arrive, which is precisely what gun advocates reject. As such, fighting no knock raids is firmly within the scope of gun activism.

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